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new Clown loach always hiding?

Post by clint » Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:31 am

I just purchased a 5"-6" clown to accompany my other 3 which are only around 2.5"/3". This new guy is always hiding, he has claimed a spot and i can always find him there hiding. This is a planted tank so i need to have my lights on. None of my other loaches hide and i have 5 zebras and 7 yo-yos and numerous kuhlis in a 90g. It also has numerous spots for the fish to hide i set it up with loaches in mind. Pic of pre planted state below.

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My question is will this new guy adjust eventually and come out and join everyone else in foraging and swimming in view? Or is he likely to remain reclusive? I'm hoping he will adjust and come out into view so he can have a life out of fear, which i think is why he is hiding. He is eating as i make sure some food gets down to the rock hes hiding under. As you can see its a tower of rocks all with ledges, enough so any loach could be in comfort if they wished it. None of my other loaches ever hide like this, except a few of my Pagio kuhlis of course.

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Post by starsplitter7 » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:03 pm

How long have you had the new guy? I will bet when he feels more comfortable, he'll come out. Do you have dither fish?

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Post by clint » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:13 pm

I have various rainbows in with the loaches not dither fish as i understand them.

I've had him almost a week now, i know not long, but i was hoping he'd be comfortable by now.

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Post by Diana » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:39 pm

SOme Rainbows are more active than others, and those darting sort of movements can make the Loach think it is not safe to come out. If your Rainbows are somewhat calmer, mostly just swimming back and forth this is exactly the right behavior for dithers, and will show the scared fish that it is OK to come out.

Try feeding an inch farther away every few days. 1" for a couple of days, then when he is taking that another 1" farther, and when he is comfortable with that another 1"...

He sure ought to settle in and become part of the crowd, but it may take longer than a week, just be patient.
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Post by chefkeith » Sun Aug 29, 2010 10:57 pm

There are a number of factors. Moving can be a very traumatic experience for clown loaches, so it could take awhile or it may never happen at all. I have a few loner clowns that rarely swim with the main packs, and I've had them for about 5 years.

How much do you know about the new loach? Is the new loach wild caught or has it been tank raised? Large wild caught loaches can be very shy and/or aggressive.

Did you buy this loach from a tank with other clown loaches? or was it already a loner? Sometimes when you break up a group of loaches, it's like breaking up a family. IMO, it's best to buy loaches in groups, especially if the group has been together since a young age or since being caught from the wild. IME, you just can't put a lone loach with an already tight group of loaches and automatically expect them to get along because they are of the same species. The clowns that I purchased in groups are always together and usually their groups merge as one. The lone clowns I got, are still loners to this day. One of my wild caught loners I need to feed late at night, while all the others are sleeping. He's a picky eater too, he'll only eat seafood or fresh veggies. He won't touch any store purchased processed foods. I've been doing this for him for about 3 years. The 1st 2 years I had him, I couldn't figure him out and I was constantly re-treating him for emaciation problems. So try feeding the new loach some seafood, like shimp, cod, tiliapia, or clams late at night. That may help.

Was the loach netted when you got it? Could it be injured? Sometimes clowns get their subocular spines caught in the netting. They are scaleless fish also, so if their slime coat got damaged by the net, it would make them more prone to parasites and bacterial infections.

When you got the new fish did you match the destination tank's water with the bag water or did you do some kind acclimation procedure? If you matched the water parameters exactly (Temperature, TDS, KH, GH, and pH) then you can usually skip acclimation, and just get the fish out of the bag water as quickly as possible. Acclimation problems can occur when the TDS doesn't match enough, resulting in osmotic shock to the fish. If osmotic shock doesn't kill the fish within a few weeks, then it could take several months for the fish to recover.

How long was the quarantine period? The minimum quarantine period should be 3 weeks, but that's only if the fish seems to be parasite free and 100% healthy. Otherwise Q period should last as long as it takes to get the fish healthy, plus an addition 3 weeks. I recommend giving the fish prophylactic treatments for the most common parasites during this quarantine period.

Before moving the fish from quarantine tank to main tank, the water parameters of the tanks should be matched exactly Or a very very very slow acclimation procedure should be done.

Hope this helps.

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Post by clint » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:30 am

Keith, this guy was a surrender i found at a fish store an hour away. This is a top notch store, so i didn't QT this guy. Being an hour away obviously the water is going to be different. Thanks for the informative writeup, i think its the lights now.

I caught him/her out and about swimming around this morning like it was nobody's business. He was all over the place looking completely at home. I have 2 sets of lights on this tank 1 is a 130 watt CF and another is a T-8, twin tube setup, which is what i have turned on for him, its less bright, intense. I think they are 32watt lamps each, so i have 64 watts on only. I decided this from the moment i introduced him, but he continues to hide from the light. What i observed this morning was normal loach behavior void of any other problems except when i turn the light on.

So with that said has anyone else encountered such a problem? I feel relieved now, knowing more then likely its the lighting, but hold some hope that he will yet come out with the lights on.

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Post by starsplitter7 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:28 am

My loaches hide out when I have the lights on. When I turn them off or lure them out with food, they are all over the tank. :)

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Post by clint » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:45 am

well i just got down from feeding them all and he came out for chow, briefly. I can tell hes just nervous with the lights on. Going from what i seen this morning with the lights off he was swimming along with the other clowns. This guy is no loner, i think maybe he just needs more time to acclimate. Get used to lights on and the flow of the tank.

This was the first morning he came out for food, which i think is a good sign.

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Post by starsplitter7 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:50 am

Sounds great to me. They do need time to acclimate. I know it is hard on them to be moved around.

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Post by glenna » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:42 pm

When I moved my clowns (five) from a fairly brightly lit 75 gallon to a much more subdued lighting situation in the 125 gallon, I COULD NOT believe the difference.
Before, I NEVER saw them. It was very frustrating since I KNEW they were in there and had set the tank up specifically for them. They always hid in the log. It was in my bedroom, so I would see them late at night by the lunar light on the tank.
I finally got the time and $$ to get a 125G and have it lit only marginally for plants. I am surprised how well my plants do in there!
Anyway, within a DAY, the clowns were out and about, laying against the front glass and VERY at home. The change has made a great difference for them (and for me)!
To me, in this tank, the plants are CLEARLY second!!!!
glenna

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Post by clint » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:58 pm

Well its been almost a month now and the big guy/gal is starting to come out more and more. He will come out for the morning feeding and i caught him at the cucumber yesterday while watching football. He always comes out for a snitch of shrimp which i've been feeding about an hour before lights out.

He is still skittish out for a quick snitch of food then back to his hiddy hole. Even with lights out he doesn't come out much. SOme mornings i leave the lights off for a while to see if he'll come out, once in a great while i'll catch him dancing with the other 4 smaller clowns i have, but still nice to see.

Hopefully in another month i can report some improvement, i leave him alone in hopes he'll come out on his own sometime soon and join the pack.

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Post by stevenallenbarnard » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:34 pm

Something I've learned about clowns is that the bigger the loach the longer it takes it to completely feel at home in a new tank

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Post by starsplitter7 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:09 pm

It sound slike he is doing better to me. I hope he continues to improve and be happier and more adjusted in your tank.

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Post by thomas_edison » Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:42 am

When you got the new fish did you match the destination tank's water with the bag water or did you do some kind acclimation procedure? If you matched the water parameters exactly (Temperature, TDS, KH, GH, and pH) then you can usually skip acclimation, and just get the fish out of the bag water as quickly as possible. Acclimation problems can occur when the TDS doesn't match enough, resulting in osmotic shock to the fish. If osmotic shock doesn't kill the fish within a few weeks, then it could take several months for the fish to recover.

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Post by clint » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:00 am

thomas_edison wrote:When you got the new fish did you match the destination tank's water with the bag water or did you do some kind acclimation procedure? If you matched the water parameters exactly (Temperature, TDS, KH, GH, and pH) then you can usually skip acclimation, and just get the fish out of the bag water as quickly as possible. Acclimation problems can occur when the TDS doesn't match enough, resulting in osmotic shock to the fish. If osmotic shock doesn't kill the fish within a few weeks, then it could take several months for the fish to recover.

NO this petstore is an hour drive away. I did what i always do and thats to put the bag in the tank for an hour adding some of my tank water every 15minutes or so. I thinkhes fine just shy. No other fish has ever acted like this in my tank hence the question, as i've found it odd.

I've caught him out and about with the light off, swimming with the other clowns and loaches. Not every day but once and awhile i see him doing this. When i do i leave the lights out for a bit, just so he can have some fun his his new tank mates. When i return later and find him in his cave then its lights on. I only have 64 watts of florescent over this 90g so its not alot of light, i also have a 130 watts of Compact Florescent which i haven't turned on since i've had him. I have a carpet of crypts on the tanks bottom and a anubias growing from the driftwood. So far none of the plants have been affected by the lowering of the light intensity.

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