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FarrinDrell
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My loaches think they are tiger barbs

Post by FarrinDrell » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:40 am

this is my second attempt at clown loaches and things are already looking better my first 2 when i added them to the tank hid and a log and stay there till they died :( a couple days later.


i bought 2 more today and this time though things are already looking better the min i added them to the tank they became part of my tiger barb school. they swim around and play with them like they are part of the group its hilarious.

i have a 30g with

1 cherry barb
1 blue gourami
1 pleqo (the monster of the tank at 5 inches he came with the tank when i got it from a friend who was moving)
9 tiger barbs (3 are albino and are not growing as fast as the tigers)
2 clown loaches

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Post by shari2 » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:44 am

that's terrific. 8) It may have something to do with them being added to a more mature tank, or the fact that they feel more comfortable with the school of barbs around.

One thing, do you realize that a 30g will not be large enough for the clowns long-term? They will grow fairly quickly the first year or so, then slow down a bit, but they will get quite large and need a much larger tank as they grow...
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Post by FarrinDrell » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:55 am

within the next year i plan on adding a 150g -200g tank to the living room to act as a room divider

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Post by shari2 » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:03 am

Ahh. I remember reading that but didn't connect that it was you. 8)
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Post by botiaboy » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:26 pm

Yep. I smell happy clowns. One thing, your clowns would probably prefer another buddy... most people consider 3 the minimum, some even prefer 5...
My loaches:
5 kubotai
5 almorhae
5 kuhli
5 zebra
1 aborichthys

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Post by adampetherick » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:04 pm

botiaboy wrote:Yep. I smell happy clowns. One thing, your clowns would probably prefer another buddy... most people consider 3 the minimum, some even prefer 5...
All loaches need to be in minimums of 3, preferably 5 and looking at your sig your yoyo is rather lonely

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Post by botiaboy » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:06 pm

Actually I forgot to update my sig...I just got three more buddies for him and moved him into the 55...thanks for reminding me! I havent been on for about 2 weeks.
My loaches:
5 kubotai
5 almorhae
5 kuhli
5 zebra
1 aborichthys

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Post by Kitishane » Fri Nov 03, 2006 11:57 am

Hey all,

Farrin's wife here. Just wanted to give a bit of an update as to our wonderful loach colony.

Once seeing how the first two were interacting with the tank, we decided to go back last night and pick up a few more buddies for our two wonderful loaches. I'm not sure if there is a rule to keeping loach groups at an odd number (with so many different sources, it's hard to remember) but we picked up the last four that were in the tank with our guys when we first went to buy them. I know it's silly, but while we only went in for 3 more, I couldn't leave the last one by himself to be all alone :(

Anywho, a funny story happened when we had the associate come to get them out of the tank for us.

We told her we wanted four, and she looked at us like we were nuts, and proceeded to tell us that if we bought four, not only would they grow much faster than we expected, but they'd start attacking each other. She said they'd latch on and leave holes in the others, and for that reason alone, she would NEVER recommend having more than two in any tank, regardless of the size. She also said if we felt we needed more after a bit of time, we could come back, as they were constantly going on sale. Odd, since clown loaches around here seldom go on sale.

Needless to say, we were floored, since we knew that clown loaches tended to be peaceful community fish, and had never heard anything of the like. We finally decided to settle for the two, as she suggested, but decided to come back here to see if anyone else had ever heard anything like this before, or had ever had similar experiences.

He went off to check out new decoration ideas for the tank, and I stayed with the associate to get the fish. She fished around in the tank for a few, lifting some of the rocks and such, and looked at me with this bewildered expression and said "Well after all that, we don't seem to have any right now!"

:? <--- My expression

I'm standing there, looking at four loaches, and wondering what in the hell this girl is talking about, when it hits me. The whole time we were talking, she though we had been talking about wanting four plecostomus', which had a tag right below the loach tank. I very kindly explained everything to her, which sent us both in to a fit of giggles, and boy was she red faced.

The joking continued until right before we checked out, when I was standing there looking at some leopard gecko's and she walked by, pointed to the tank and said "Those are cheetahs! They're not really good around small dogs, so I'd be careful" and burst into giggles as she walked away.

To bring my story to a close, we now have 6 beautiful loaches and I couldn't be happier. I've always loved the way clown loaches looked, and I love their cute little "tentacles." I keep telling Farrin that they remind me of "Fishthulu" (a play on Cathulu). The new four aren't interacting with the tiger barbs as much as we had hoped, but the original two still think they are tiger barbs and they make me laugh every time I see them.

I couldn't be happier!

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Post by mikev » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:36 pm

Hey there,

Congradulations!

6 is a good number, and don't worry about the even/odd stuff too much: my 6 do fine here.

But watch them very carefully for the next ten days or so: Ich is very common with clowns and if you do have a problem, you want to treat asap.

Good luck!

PS. As for plecos: a lfs here once told me that 6 common plecos will do fine in a 10g tank...

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Post by Graeme Robson » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:48 pm

Please upgrade ASAP though.
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Post by Kitishane » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:58 pm

Hey folks,

Saddly we just lost one of the clowns, which is really upsetting, as they were doing fine. I really doubt it's anything we did or didn't do, since we acclimated them appropriately. According to our most recent water test(s), our water is just fine, by both our home test, and again by the fish store (I don't have the stats since I'm at work, but Farrin may be able to provide some insight).

It's always very hard for me to loose one of my fishbabies, even ones as new as this one was. I've got such a huge strong love for clown loaches, and was devistated when our first attempt went south and we lost them. I'm hoping more than anything that this is the only one of the group that we loose.

I'm at a loss for what could have killed him, other than possibly the stress of being moved from one home to the next.

Also, on a random side note, how does one normally determine the gender of a clown loach?

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Post by Kitishane » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:59 pm

Graeme Robson wrote:Please upgrade ASAP though.
That will be our next big purchase. We're shopping around now, trying to find the best setup for our budget, and space purposes, and hope to have everything we need by the begining few months of next year ('07).

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Post by mikev » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:02 pm

Kitishane,

sorry to hear this. In general, losing a Botia for no reason is not common, so you may want to try to figure out what went wrong. Post the test results, photo of the dead fish, explain your acclimation procedure, results of the autopsy, etc.

The more information you gather on each loss, the more chances are that this would not happen again.

hth

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sigh

Post by FarrinDrell » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:45 pm

k according my test and the lfs test

nitrate between 20 - 40
nitrite 0 - .5
hardness between 75 and 150 closer to 150 so slightly hard water
alkalinity 80 - 120
ph 6.2 - 6.8
ammonia .25 - .5 (borderline stressful)
water temp is between 80 - 82

The lfs told me the water shouldn't be the problem so they have no problem taking them back


the first loach i found lying on its side in a corner i did slight glass tap and it fluttered abit moved and inch or so and fell on its side it would twitch a bit more move abit and fall on its side again. so i decided i would put him in the hatchery tank (one of those plastic floating tanks we bought for an unruly tiger a while ago to separate him for a while) i figured it would be easier to watch him this way. while he was in there i watched the little guy try to stay up but kept falling on its side and panting heavily then it started uncontrolled twitching spins. fell on its side and stopped breathing i left it there for a bit to be sure it was unresponsive to any stimuli.

i have a second one im watching he seems to be doing better than the first but he too seams to be having problems staying off its side. as soon as he starts to fall over here swims abit stops for a min and slowly rolls over and catches himself again starting the process over and over. his breathing is much more rapid than the others as well.

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Post by mikev » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:52 pm

All right.

Loaches must NEVER be kept in a tank with non-zero Ammonia and Nitrites. These are poisons to any fish, and loaches are more sensitive than other fish.

How long ago was the tank established?
(it is not clear if your tank is simply not fully cycled, or something else is going on).

Do you use water conditioner when changing water?

To combat ammonia now, get PRIME from the lfs. If they don't have it, get Amquel, or, in the worst case, ammochips.
nitrite 0 - .5
I don't understand this: nitrites can be measured more accurately. There is a world of difference between 0 and 0.5.

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