Kuhli ID 2

bob d · Post by **bob d** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:28 am

It might help if I post the photo.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff95 ... wkuhli.jpg

Martin Thoene · Post by **Martin Thoene** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:39 am

I'm thinking Pangio alternans Bob. I've never seen them from above though. I reckon you're a lucky bloke because they look superb.
Can't get my Pangio descriptions pdf to open for some reason right now.

Martin.

bob d · Post by **bob d** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:03 am

Thanks Martin but I'm not sure that would be it.It's markings appear quite different. They have the same precise pattern on their sides as well. It's a really beautiful looking design. I don't know whether I will be able to get a decent side shot but this pic shows a little of it on the one in the top right corner.

shari2 · Post by **shari2** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:04 am

Lovely group of wigglers there, Bob!

bob d · Post by **bob d** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:14 am

They are aren't they Shari. I just hope I can keep them alive. They're quite small and I'm not sure what will tempt them yet, food wise. I dropped a few bloodworms in tonight but don't know if they went for them. Never had much long term luck with Kuhlis in the past.

shari2 · Post by **shari2** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:22 am

I know what you mean. I really like them, but after losing 5 I'm reluctant to try again.

I don't like to get fish and then lose them.

clownloachfan · Post by **clownloachfan** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:22 am

Wow, must be lucky to find ones like that, and they are fairly huge.

Emma Turner · Post by **Emma Turner** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:32 am

Wow, beautiful specimens, Bob!

I think they are Pangio shelfordii, but let's wait to see what everyone else thinks. Any chance of a side-on shot - this would help immensely.

Emma

Mad Duff · Post by **Mad Duff** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:59 pm

Could the ones that are top left, top right and bottom right be Pangio muraeniformis

Lovely looking fish Bob

shari2 · Post by **shari2** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:12 pm

I think MD wins the prize...
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=17664

We don't have a profile up for them - yet.

Emma Turner · Post by **Emma Turner** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:09 pm

Kottelat & Lim still consider Pangio muraeniformis to be synonymous with P. shelfordii, but in their paper comment that further investigation between different populations is needed. Don't know how we'd stand, profile-wise with this.

Emma

bob d · Post by **bob d** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:43 pm

They are actually quite small (5-6cm) and look juvenile for sure. After doing a fair bit of googling you realise how little is really known and how much conflicting info is out there. Mad Duff's Pangio Muraeniformis came up with the closest pics (IMO) and descriptions that indicate the pattern is sharp in juveniles and less so in adults. I also found several queries about it being synonymous with Pangio Shelfordii, as Emma pointed out, but no firm answers. At least we're down to a couple of possibilities. Thanks for the help and I will try to get a side on pic or two, but they are so small it will be difficult (especially with my eyes!)

daspricey · Post by **daspricey** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:16 am

They are beautiful what ever they are!!!!!

I first thought pangio shelfordii too but since seeing pangio muraeniformis, my moneys on them!

David

wasserscheu · Post by **wasserscheu** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:04 am

WOA... how nice markings, I love it ... I must remind myself to close my mouth before leaving house...

Enjoy

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