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Kuhli ID 2
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:28 am
by bob d
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:39 am
by Martin Thoene
I'm thinking Pangio alternans Bob. I've never seen them from above though. I reckon you're a lucky bloke because they look superb.
Can't get my Pangio descriptions pdf to open for some reason right now.
Martin.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:03 am
by bob d
Thanks Martin but I'm not sure that would be it.It's markings appear quite different. They have the same precise pattern on their sides as well. It's a really beautiful looking design. I don't know whether I will be able to get a decent side shot but this pic shows a little of it on the one in the top right corner.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:04 am
by shari2
Lovely group of wigglers there, Bob!
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:14 am
by bob d
They are aren't they Shari. I just hope I can keep them alive. They're quite small and I'm not sure what will tempt them yet, food wise. I dropped a few bloodworms in tonight but don't know if they went for them. Never had much long term luck with Kuhlis in the past.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:22 am
by shari2
I know what you mean. I really like them, but after losing 5 I'm reluctant to try again.
I don't like to get fish and then lose them.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:22 am
by clownloachfan
Wow, must be lucky to find ones like that, and they are fairly huge.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:32 am
by Emma Turner
Wow, beautiful specimens, Bob!
I think they are
Pangio shelfordii, but let's wait to see what everyone else thinks. Any chance of a side-on shot - this would help immensely.
Emma
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:59 pm
by Mad Duff
Could the ones that are top left, top right and bottom right be
Pangio muraeniformis 
Lovely looking fish Bob
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:12 pm
by shari2
I think MD wins the prize...
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum/sh ... hp?t=17664
We don't have a profile up for them - yet.
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:09 pm
by Emma Turner
Kottelat & Lim still consider Pangio muraeniformis to be synonymous with P. shelfordii, but in their paper comment that further investigation between different populations is needed. Don't know how we'd stand, profile-wise with this.
Emma
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:43 pm
by bob d
They are actually quite small (5-6cm) and look juvenile for sure. After doing a fair bit of googling you realise how little is really known and how much conflicting info is out there. Mad Duff's Pangio Muraeniformis came up with the closest pics (IMO) and descriptions that indicate the pattern is sharp in juveniles and less so in adults. I also found several queries about it being synonymous with Pangio Shelfordii, as Emma pointed out, but no firm answers. At least we're down to a couple of possibilities. Thanks for the help and I will try to get a side on pic or two, but they are so small it will be difficult (especially with my eyes!)
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:16 am
by daspricey
They are beautiful what ever they are!!!!!
I first thought pangio shelfordii too but since seeing pangio muraeniformis, my moneys on them!
David
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:04 am
by wasserscheu
WOA... how nice markings, I love it ... I must remind myself to close my mouth before leaving house...
Enjoy
