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Another request for loach identification
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:10 pm
by Frank M. Greco
This was sent under the common name ornate tiger sand loach, and the scientific name Schistura kochangensis. It's from India. There's nothing ornate or tiger about it, though <<G>>. Any ideas? Actually, there are at least two more species in this batch, all imported under the same name. I'll post those pics as well if anyone is interested.
Thanks!
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:14 pm
by mikev
Maybe post them all on the same thread?
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:25 pm
by Frank M. Greco
mikev wrote:Maybe post them all on the same thread?
O.K., here's one.....

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:25 pm
by Martin Thoene
Not
Schistura kohchangensis. That's this:
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/sc ... ensis.html
Looks more like
Nemacheilus masyae:
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/ne ... asyae.html
OR
Nemacheilus binotatus:
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/ne ... tatus.html
OR
N. pallidus:
http://www.loaches.com/species_pages/ne ... lidus.html
Sometimes with these species the lateral stripe can come and go or appear spotted.
Be interesting to see the others too.
Martin.
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:26 pm
by Frank M. Greco
And here's the other.
Thanks again.
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:28 pm
by Martin Thoene
The second one is definitely Schistura kohchangensis. When you said they were mixed and that name was attached, that's what i expected to see.
Martin.
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:42 pm
by mikev
Compare:
Yours:
Jim Powers' (from a recent thread):

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:43 pm
by Jim Powers
That's what they look like after they have a few meals.

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:14 pm
by mikev
I think there were two more possible species in the same tank.
How about this fellow?
(yes, the pattern is almost impossible to see...)
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 8:59 pm
by Frank M. Greco
Martin Thoene wrote:The second one is definitely Schistura kohchangensis. When you said they were mixed and that name was attached, that's what i expected to see. Martin.
Thanks for the identification.
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 9:37 pm
by Frank M. Greco
(yes, the pattern is almost impossible to see...)
Here's another pic of the same fish. The markings are more visible.

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:10 pm
by mikev
One effect noticed on kohchangensis, after I saw a few: they seem to split their stripes.
This is probably the same effect that occurs in Clown loaches and also in striped kuhlis (with kuhlis, it is usually formations of white dots inside black stripes).
Both with Clowns and Kuhlis this seems to occur in sub-adult fish; for example, this would not happen to a clown smaller than perhaps 5", but 5" is still not an adult. I observed this happening to a Kuhli that was still growing.
But Schistura has a shorter lifespan, so this *may* be an indication of old age (if the splitting occurs in 3-year old fish, well, 3-year old Clown or Kuhli is young, but not a Schistura).
Incidentally, any explanation as to why? 5-6 year lifespan of Schistura does not seem to fit right when smaller botias and even kuhlis seem to be 10+. What exactly is different? Part of it is certainly the -ploidity but there should be more here.