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What to do for optimal loach happiness?

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:10 pm
by Scarlett
Hello all,

I have a bit of a dilemma that I've been considering for the past few weeks, and I thought I'd see what all your opinions are.

I am the proud owner of an 80-gallon community tank that, among other residents, houses a trio of clown loaches. I got them almost two years ago, when they were itsy-bitsy babies, and I adore them. They're now about three inches long and doing very well. However, I know that three is kind of a tiny group for loaches, and I have heard that if you keep them in larger groups, they tend to come out more. Mine hide all day: they like to loaf under one of the pieces of bogwood. Lest you think my tank is barren and intimidating, I assure you, it's extremely lushly planted and has plenty of nice, dark hidey-holes. My loaches are especially fond of the melon sword; they bite little holes in the nice, fresh, new leaves. :roll:

Trouble is, I'm well aware that my tank is only 80 gallons, and I don't want to overstock it. Those 80 gallons house my loaches, two tiny plecos (a clown plec and a paraotocinclus), six blue flame Colombian tetras, ten emerald eye rasboras, three platies, two dianemas, four Siamese algae eaters, and two angelfish. I'll likely shuttle my angelfish into my other tank (a 40-gallon) when they're a little bigger. In a couple years, I plan to acquire a 180 or 200 gallon tank, but where I'm living now (I'm a student, you see), I simply don't have the space. While that would probably be okay given how slowly my loaches have grown, I'd hate for them to get cramped in a tank that's too small.

Anyway, what it all boils down to is that I want to choose the lesser evil for them. Shall I keep them in their little trio and wait a couple of years, when I can get that bigger tank, to expand their group? Or should I get, say, two more and let them start growing up in the 80, then move them when they start to get too big for it? Your input is appreciated.

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:56 pm
by wasserscheu
my clowns schred new sword leaves only if the iron contend is rather low, possibly iron makes the leave bitter. Possibly they spot snail-eggs and just eat them by biting the holes in it?

currently my tank is also small, smaller than yours (working on it), i also have only 3 (working on that also). However they play around a lot when their is no movement in the room. in the beginning they were very shy, but after a lot of "talking to them" :roll: - handfeeding - they got used to me. now they are turning on their side, when I am relaxed - I noticed that... and am not sure wether that is coincident. Actually, that´s why I like loaches so much... they are like under-water-dogs for me

So, first off, "talk to them" :wink: let them feel your presence and avoid any stressful things in the room like bright light, vibrations, ...

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 6:35 am
by sfrussell
I agree- we have had 7 for some time and they are very much aware of someone else even in the room! We have spent a lot of time being entertained by our loaches, and I swear they antic on purpose for attention. They are very friendly and happy ,like dogs! But it was that we had no TV as newlyweds, nor other pets etc and these were(are) our Babies! We started with a few random tetra & pleco plus nine tiny clowns. In a 55 gal. But the two smallest (lowest in pecking order) sadly didn't last long, and we are now, a couple of years later, trying to find a larger home for the others because (as I feared) this was too small for too long. It sure sounds like you have a lot of other fish.... but I know they love a group. Be aware that the more you have, the more hierarchy and fighting they will have if they are competing for space. Good luck - enjoy! Sounds like you do, S