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it's all Greek to me

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:06 am
by The-Wolf
Hi all
can anyone shed some light on what Botia actually means, where it came from, who first used it?

also same goes for
Misgurnus
Syncrossus
Pangio
Yasuhikotakia

thanks in advance

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 5:53 am
by Mad Duff
Botia is a regional asian native word meaning warrior or soldier, which refers to the spine under each eye. For instance Chromo means colour so Chromobotia translates to coloured warrior :)

I know you didnt mention Sinibotia but Sini is greak for Chinese so Sinibotia translates to Chinese Warrior :)

Misgurnus means not a gurnard so for the Weather Loach - Misgurnus anguillicaudatus the anguillicaudatus means tail like an eel.

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:03 am
by Graeme Robson
Yasuhikotakia is named after a Japanese ichthyologist: Yasuhiko Taki

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:47 am
by The-Wolf
thanks guys

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:59 am
by YellowFinned
I have noticed that whereas most people when they name fish find some interesting or tenuous description in Latin or Greek, the Japanese name fish after themselves.

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:45 pm
by palaeodave
Its against the rules of the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) to name a taxon after yourself. If a taxon bears a persons name its usually in honour. Happens all the time in the West, usually at species level.

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:47 pm
by Littlelady
What an interesting thread :D

I really like that - 'warrior'......no wonder my alpha loach behaves with such self importance and pride :lol:

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:38 am
by YellowFinned
palaeodave wrote:Its against the rules of the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature (ICZN) to name a taxon after yourself. If a taxon bears a persons name its usually in honour. Happens all the time in the West, usually at species level.
Wow! An international code.

What about Kubotai. How did he get away with it then? Or, did he discover it, and the get his mate to name it in his honour?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:53 am
by Emma Turner
YellowFinned wrote: What about Kubotai. How did he get away with it then? Or, did he discover it, and the get his mate to name it in his honour?
I believe Dr Maurice Kottelat was the describer, and he named the fish in honour of Katsuma Kubota.

Emma

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:39 am
by YellowFinned
Emma Turner wrote:
YellowFinned wrote: What about Kubotai. How did he get away with it then? Or, did he discover it, and the get his mate to name it in his honour?
I believe Dr Maurice Kottelat was the describer, and he named the fish in honour of Katsuma Kubota.

Emma
Exactly.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:01 pm
by palaeodave
YellowFinned wrote:
Wow! An international code.
Ohhhhhhhhhh yes.

http://www.iczn.org/iczn/index.jsp

If anybody is having trouble sleeping, have a look through that. I'm afraid to say I know it intimately. Comes with the joys of naming new species.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:30 am
by The-Wolf
I'm still needing a definition of
Syncrossus and Pangio

can ayone shead soe light on these two?