My Lew clown loaches. Anything wrong?

[squid]

Hi,

I just bought 5 additional clown loaches. they are about 2 inches.
I noticed that they are quite skinny? anything wrong with them? or werre they just enderfed in the lfs?





Here's one with 1 of my old cl, its quite fat compared to the new ones.


btw i was planning to deworm them, but can't find levimasole here any other alternatives i can use? like combantrin or any meds for humans?

i also have another tank i have some 1 uinch loaches. lost wquite a few because they became skinny and just died

Currently i'm feeding them with tetra bits, will they eat garlic?
thanks.

[ckk125]

How about praziquantel?i couldnt get my hands on any of those. Try Azoo products?It helps..

Moreover, you should try those yellow powders(nitrofuran stuffs) to combat internal bacteria problem(no harm in trying).

BTW, try to get some sand for them...then they'll be happier...and reduces stress as well.

[Ded1]

When I feed my clowns with good ammount of frozzen larvae for example, their belies are "fat" almost 24 hours after that.

You guys never get "full belly" after you feed them?

[LoachOrgy]

mine will get full belly's five minutes after eating bloodworms.

[ckk125]

some infected clowns will still eat and eat and waste away..Happened to my 11 inch clown..dosed him with antibiotics he improved alot..much more active and blindingly fast.

[NancyD]

What country are you in Squid? We are a very international bunch & can help more with what might be available to you.

[squid]

Hi ,

Thanks, I'm the the philippines, its hard to find levimasole here i found some thats used for deworming fighting cocks,. but it also contains Praziquantel. is this loach safe?
btw anybody tried feeding their clown loach garlic? will this be accepted by cls? since 've read that it can get rid of parasites if there's any?

thanks.

[shari2]

i would think so, yes. Can you post the label ingredients and directions?

[squid]

Hi,

Here's the ingredients.

COMPOSITION
Each mL contains:
Praziquantel - 50 mg;
Levamisole Hydrochloride - 10 mg
Excipients q.s. ad - 1 mL

DOSAGE & ADMINISTRATION
By oral administration or mix with drinking water. Repeat deworming every month in the range and every 2 months for older birds.

Chicks:
2 - 3 months : 1 - 2 mL/gallon
4 - 5 months : 3 - 4 mL/gallon
Stags/Breeders : 0.5 - 1 mL/head
Cocks : 1 mL/head



this is used for fighting cocks.
I hevn't been ab;e to find it in stores yet, just browsed phil website

thanks.

[squid]

here's another dewormer with levamisole

COMPOSITION
Each caplet contains :
Niclosamide - 100 mg
Levamisole HCl - 10 mg

INDICATIONS
It is effective in the removal of roundworms (Ascaris), hairworms (Capillaria spp.), and tapeworms in fighting cocks, doves, canaries, quails and cockatoos.

DOSAGE & ADMINISTRATION
Give one (1) caplet per 2 kg bodyweight. May be given without fasting the bird.


whioch would bebetter?
i've used praziquatel with my discus before. but not sure if its loach safe.

[mikev]

The first drug is probably a better choice.

Both Prazi and Niclosamide are tapeworm drugs.

Prazi is known to be fish-safe (used in several fish-intended products, I've used it on Botia's and even on hillstreams) whereas Niclosamide is an unknown. The spec sheet on the drug says:

It is of very low toxicity to mammals (WHO
Hazard Class III, table 5), can be toxic to aquatic vertebrates
(e.g. fish and amphibians) and crustaceans.

... this is a red flag, imo.

hth

PS. What exactly is a Lew Clown Loach anyway?

[squid]

The first drug is probably a better choice.

Both Prazi and Niclosamide are tapeworm drugs.

Prazi is known to be fish-safe (used in several fish-intended products, I've used it on Botia's and even on hillstreams) whereas Niclosamide is an unknown. The spec sheet on the drug says:

It is of very low toxicity to mammals (WHO
Hazard Class III, table 5), can be toxic to aquatic vertebrates
(e.g. fish and amphibians) and crustaceans.

... this is a red flag, imo.

hth

PS. What exactly is a Lew Clown Loach anyway?

Thanks will try to get my hand on the 1st med,
its a typo supposed to be 'new'

[shari2]

Niclosamide will kill off snails and is listed as highly toxic to very highly toxic to freshwater fish. It's been used in the US since 1964. It is no longer a recommended treatment for freshwater fish (or humans, for that matter). Treats for tapeworms/cestodes. I wouldn't recommend it.

Effective treatment for freshwater fish with Prazi is 1.5 - 2 mg/L in a 24 hour bath. You will need to treat again in a week for both Prazi and Levamisole to eliminate tapeworms/nematodes.

A couple of good articles on fish parasites:
http://www.exoticpetvet.net/aqua/parasites.html
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA041

I'll look into it a bit more tomorrow.
anyone ever used prazi on their loaches? I haven't personally...

[squid]

Niclosamide will kill off snails and is listed as highly toxic to very highly toxic to freshwater fish. It's been used in the US since 1964. It is no longer a recommended treatment for freshwater fish (or humans, for that matter). Treats for tapeworms/cestodes. I wouldn't recommend it.

Effective treatment for freshwater fish with Prazi is 1.5 - 2 mg/L in a 24 hour bath. You will need to treat again in a week for both Prazi and Levamisole to eliminate tapeworms/nematodes.

A couple of good articles on fish parasites:
http://www.exoticpetvet.net/aqua/parasites.html
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/FA041

I'll look into it a bit more tomorrow.
anyone ever used prazi on their loaches? I haven't personally...

thanks will read up.

[mikev]

anyone ever used prazi on their loaches? I haven't personally...

This has been answered above, in the same post the Niclosamide link came from. Additionally, at least two active posters mentioned using PraziPro with Clown Loaches within the last couple of months.

It needs to be mentioned that while Levamisole and Prazi are safe individually or combined, this in no way implies that the drug designed for a different animal is safe with fish. Impurities can be deadly.