Asking politely for permission

[Ded1]

I am also a moderator on the oldest and biggest Slovenian aqua site. I would like to ask for permission from one of you moderators, admins, authors of articles, if it is possibile that I translate few descriptions of few loaches, including one or two photos from the same articles for our site.

I have in mind: http://www.loaches.com/species-index/ya ... idthimunki

Martin, I guess I have to ask you for permission on this one

and:

Shari if she allow me to translate her article:
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/botia-histronica

Thanks in advance for anykind of answer.

[Martin Thoene]

Actually Ded1 we're just the moderators here. I guess that you ought to ask Jeff really as he's the site owner.

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Martin.

[Ded1]

Actually Ded1 we're just the moderators here. I guess that you ought to ask Jeff really as he's the site owner.

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Martin.

Thanks for tip in right direction

[Martin Thoene]

Species Profiles are one thing because a large number of the ones on LOL were created using information from those in the old Loaches Online site plus other gathered info.

If you ever wanted to translate anyone's article then in that case you should approach the author directly because they own the intellectual rights to that article and it's their choice whether someone else may use it.
The same goes for photographs.

Martin.

[Ded1]

Species Profiles are one thing because a large number of the ones on LOL were created using information from those in the old Loaches Online site plus other gathered info.

If you ever wanted to translate anyone's article then in that case you should approach the author directly because they own the intellectual rights to that article and it's their choice whether someone else may use it.
The same goes for photographs.

Martin.

I am aware of that, but I thought that you and Shari were the authors of those two specific articles?

On the top of the page regarding Dwarf loaches for example it is written
"Author Martin Thoene — Last change 10.12.2006 14:08"

And other article has Shari as author. That is why I turned to you two at first, and than you directed me to Jeff...and I did write him an email. So who is the author if not you two? I dont see any other credentials displayed ?

[Martin Thoene]

Anybody who creates a page on Loaches Online gets credited at the top. It's the way the site works. The profiles were created by some of the mods just because we needed to move all the existing info over from the old website. That looked nothing like LOL does now.

We came up with a standardised profile format. In effect whoever did a particular profile is the author, but speaking personally I don't feel that it's my "property" and in fact we all agreed with one another that it is perfectly acceptable for all other mods to go into any profile and add to or modify it at their discretion because we all have editorial permissions.

Articles are regarded differently and I would not consider modifying in any way another's article without previous consultation with that person.
I guess there's no "personal" attatchment to the profiles.

Martin.

[Ded1]

Anybody who creates a page on Loaches Online gets credited at the top. It's the way the site works. The profiles were created by some of the mods just because we needed to move all the existing info over from the old website. That looked nothing like LOL does now.

We came up with a standardised profile format. In effect whoever did a particular profile is the author, but speaking personally I don't feel that it's my "property" and in fact we all agreed with one another that it is perfectly acceptable for all other mods to go into any profile and add to or modify it at their discretion because we all have editorial permissions.

Articles are regarded differently and I would not consider modifying in any way another's article without previous consultation with that person.
I guess there's no "personal" attatchment to the profiles.

Martin.

So, can I understand this as approval from your side, regarding mentioned article bearing your name? I mean, if it is going to be ok with jeff?

And by the way, the translated article would be credited on our site to Loaches Online with link and thanks, and your name as an author of article. I would be mentioned only as a guy who translated it.

[Graeme Robson]

No.

The name holder is just the Moderator who has uploaded the entire article in which the whole Moderators have worked on. Their name is not entirely there own work, same applies with the pictures.

Disregard the credited name on the page of the species index. This was a Team contribution to-wards Loaches Online and the same applies with the permissions of usage.

[Emma Turner]

Articles/photographs are one thing (with permission from the author/photographer), but actually directly translating the species profiles is another. All the moderators worked long and hard on these for the purposes of furthering Loaches Online as the most informative and accurate website dedicated to loaches out there. I myself would not be comfortable with the exact same species profiles being used on another website (even if they are in another language).

But this would not just be down to me, it has to be a group decision by all the moderators, plus the webmaster Jeff too.

Thank you for asking first, Ded1.

Emma

[Ded1]

So who am I to ask for permission ? Anonymous Team of people? Or is it a Jeff the one who will make a decision?

This is the best site, actually the only competent site dealing with loaches in my oppinion. All i want is to present your work, informations that you know about loaches ( specificly two species ) in my native language on my native country aqua site, giving you guys all credits and link to this site.

And yet, you stand as a big international leading web site for loaches, but in these kind of situations, regarding 2 articles, there is only confusion and nothing else!?

So people are left with these options:

a) steal the article or just some parts of it ( nobody knows slovenian anyway)
b) try to ask some anonymous team of who knows how many people, for approvement.

Any other idea that would be fair and respectefule to you guys, and helpfule to me?

[Ded1]

Articles/photographs are one thing (with permission from the author/photographer), but actually directly translating the species profiles is another. All the moderators worked long and hard on these for the purposes of furthering Loaches Online as the most informative and accurate website dedicated to loaches out there. I myself would not be comfortable with the exact same species profiles being used on another website (even if they are in another language).

But this would not just be down to me, it has to be a group decision by all the moderators, plus the webmaster Jeff too.

Thank you for asking first, Ded1.

Emma

Obviously I needed a woman to explain the right way. Now i got it. Thank you.

How about not translating directly articles, not fully, but just basic informations about species? Water parameters, few lines about care and feeding? I never had in mind word for word, that would be disrespecteful, really. I just know that info here is the most correct on the internet.

That is the last question, will not bother you on this one any more. I apologise if you saw me as rood, it was not my intention. Just trying to give the right respect to your work, that is what you deserve.

[The Kapenta Kid]

No one is making a red cent, I assume, out of LOL. Spreading info, provided the source is properly acknowledged, seems unexceptionable to me. Why would I feel my proprietary rigtts were being abused if I had contributed an article or info to the site and someone in Slovenia or wherever reprinted it with proper acknowledgement.?

[Emma Turner]

Hi Ded1, no-one thinks you are rude, in fact it is refreshing to have someone ask politely for permission.

The moderator team is made up of Martin Thoene, Graeme Robson, Jim Powers, Mark in Vancouver, cybermeez, Shari2, Mad Duff and myself (these names are available on the Community part of the site). Given that it is quite late here, you may not get replies from everyone straight away, but I am sure they will answer.

I think some of this thread was a little 'lost in translation' . If the species profiles were not translated word for word, I'm sure there really couldn't be a problem. With regards to the actual longer Articles, if you approach the individual author (it should say 'Credit: whoever' at the beginning of each article) by PM, I'm sure most people would be willing to oblige, provided that credit etc is given (like you have proposed). But that will be up to the individual authors of the articles.

Emma

[wasserscheu]

just an idea - brainstorming so to say - how about Ded1 contributes a translation to LOL. He can then point out a link to his transaltion which is part of LOL?

Wolfram

[Ded1]

Hi Ded1, no-one thinks you are rude, in fact it is refreshing to have someone ask politely for permission.

The moderator team is made up of Martin Thoene, Graeme Robson, Jim Powers, Mark in Vancouver, cybermeez, Shari2, Mad Duff and myself (these names are available on the Community part of the site). Given that it is quite late here, you may not get replies from everyone straight away, but I am sure they will answer.

I think some of this thread was a little 'lost in translation' . If the species profiles were not translated word for word, I'm sure there really couldn't be a problem. With regards to the actual longer Articles, if you approach the individual author (it should say 'Credit: whoever' at the beginning of each article) by PM, I'm sure most people would be willing to oblige, provided that credit etc is given (like you have proposed). But that will be up to the individual authors of the articles.

Emma

Thanks. I will try to contact every and each of people you mentioned. Only asking for permission to use your information about 2 species profiles and word for word translation is a nonsense to me, and it will not happen, not a copy-paste method I assure you.
I would use a lot of mine own expressions, my style of writing, adding the notes to Slovenian loach keepers how is it with this specific species in Slovenian market, etc...it is just that I belive you guys have the most accurate informations about species, their behaviour and suggestions.

The credit would be given and "with all thanks" ( including link to website ) to Loaches online. I will give you link so you can check for yourself if and when it is published on our site.

This I can ask you personally Emma, there are photos of those two species that you personally took. Can I use them in articles ( if your name is not written on the picture, under picture I would write "Credit Emma Turner " ?

Asking for these two:


http://www.loaches.com/species-index/ph ... fullscreen
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/ph ... fullscreen