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Malaysian trumpet snail - best loach for control

Post by baldpate » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:00 pm

I have a 125 gal heavily planted community tank containing discus, cardinal tetras, harlequin rasboras, Sterbai cories, Otocinclus, Parotocinclus, Ancistris, rummynose teras, koi angelfish, gold mystus cats, Amano shrimp, and 6 zebra loaches (Botia striata). Lots of hiding spots among the plants, cobble, and driftwood. The tank has been cycled for a long time. I do weekly 40% water changes. Tank is kept at 82 degrees F; pH is 7.4; 0 ammonia and nitrite; 10 ppm nitrate.

I purchased the zebra loaches because they are very cool, compatible with the other fish, tolerant of the high temp, and because I saw a few pond snails that were eating my plants. The zebras took care of the pond snails (not really rapidly), but upon examining my tank at night, I found about 100 MTS - mostly very tiny.

I actually like the MTS - a neat new part of my tank ecosystem. Further, my tank has never been so free of algae as it has since they colonized it and they don't eat plants. However, I have read that they can become superabundant and reduce water quality. Thus, I would like to control, not eradicate, the MTS.

I lean toward loaches as a control method. I prefer not to use chems. The baiting method is valid, but more work. If I analyze it further, this is probably just my an excuse to add a new loach species to my tank :) .

My zebras do not seem to be having any effect on the MTS population. I believe zebra loaches are more diurnal than most hobbiests realize. Everytime I look in the tank at night with a flashlight, the zebras are tucked into the tiniest crannies of the driftwood that they can fit in (very cool!).

Interstingly, the discus forums tend to advocate loaches as a control method more than than recommended here. Clown loaches are the most frequently recommended species, but I have read they can be tough on plants. I also would prefer a smaller species. B. almorhae and Yasuhikotakia sidthimunki are recommended, but I am not sure if they will turn out diurnal like the B. striata.

Any advice on the best loach for MTS control would be appreciated

Many thanks!

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Post by Diana » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:09 pm

MTS have a much harder shell than pond snails, and are harder for any fish to break apart to eat. Some fish learn to suck the meat out of the shell. You might be able to teach your Zebra Loaches to do this by crushing a few MTS and dropping them back into the tank. Once the Zebras have tasted them they might get the idea to work harder at this meal. Even to the point of digging into the substrate to find the sleeping snails.

Some of my tanks have quite a few snails, and all are heavily planted. The tanks with Loaches have no pond snails, no Ramshorns and significantly fewer MTS. It is possible!

Loaches that seem to reduce the MTS population:
Clown
Queen Botia
Yoyo
Kubotai
Orange Fin
My Zebras are too small to tell- Their tank has lots of MTS and a few other snails

Loaches that do not seem to do much for snails:
Hillstream
Schistura
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Post by baldpate » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:01 pm

Thank you for the info! :D :D

Do you have any problems with your plants from the clown loaches?

Are most of those loach species compatible wth each other as long as they are in groups?

Thanks again!

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Post by Glostik » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:13 pm

I used to have alot of MTS in my clown loach tank, but they are all gone now. I probably throw in 50 snails a day into my loach tank and they are gone by the next morning.
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Post by fish_frenzy » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:19 pm

I have a group of clowns in a planted tank and they have decided to turn an amazon sword plant into a madagascar lace plant :shock: On a positive note, they swim around with MTS hanging out of their mouth like little party horn blowers! :D

I have successfully kept clowns with kuhli loaches and corycat babies but haven't tried them with yo-yos.

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Post by Boomer » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:27 pm

I used to have a snail only tank. Someone "generously" gave me some MTS's that quickly got out of hand. I grabbed a handfull and put them in my tank and though the CL tried to get to the snail, they couldn't and ended up giving up. I then had two tanks with MTS :shock:

I hope they eat them for you though!

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Post by Piyush » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:51 pm

where to get MTS? I got some snails in my tank but they just look too simple to have a acronym
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Post by helen nightingale » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:28 pm

here we reccommend people have loaches because they like loaches for their own sake, not just for their usefullness, as we tend to be loach nutters :roll:

my almorhae and striatra are fine together. the almorhae seem to do more snail eating than the striata. sometimes i have seen them doing headstands with their noses digging right into the sand to get a buried snail, but i havent seen a striata do this. i find more empty shells than snails in the tank

something to be aware of is that loaches like rapidly moving water, and i believe discus like calm water. are you able to create an area of higher flow for the loaches? the rasboras will probably enjoy it too

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Post by newshound » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:28 pm

a 125 is a large tank for 6 small loaches to search and destroy every snail.
cories and loaches are not the best of mixes IMO.
I assume you have young striata?

don't feed the loaches for a few days and crush the mts snail shells so the loaches realize just how yummy they are :P
not sure about your mix of fish.
Just sit it out for a bit and see if the loaches catch on to the yummy food source inching around in the tank.
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Re: Malaysian trumpet snail - best loach for control

Post by jones57742 » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:39 pm

baldpate wrote:I actually like the MTS - a neat new part of my tank ecosystem. Further, my tank has never been so free of algae as it has since they colonized it and they don't eat plants. However, I have read that they can become superabundant and reduce water quality. Thus, I would like to control, not eradicate, the MTS.
MTS aka Malaysian Live Bearers are wonderful little critters.

Fortunately even my Yoyos will not consume them.

My MTS were a present which came on purchased plants.

They will not only clean up algae but will also clean up the the surface of the substrate and will burrow into the substrate and clean up the substrate also.

Most of the literature represents that common pond snails can be eradicated by proper feeding.

IHMO both of these concepts are jokes.

MTS are another story and can be eradicated by lack of feeding.

I intentionally overfeed in order to keep my MTS colonies healthy.

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Post by Piyush » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:52 pm

looks like I will have to get loaches from other aquariums. Anyone wanna ship me any?

Also, how do you keep fish and critters from getting in the intakes of your pumps and filters?
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Post by janma » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:32 pm

A loach isn't the only answer for snail control. Try finding Anentome helena aka Clea helena snails. They actually eat MTS and they don't multiply like crazy.
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Post by baldpate » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:19 pm

newshound wrote:a 125 is a large tank for 6 small loaches to search and destroy every snail.
cories and loaches are not the best of mixes IMO.
I assume you have young striata?

don't feed the loaches for a few days and crush the mts snail shells so the loaches realize just how yummy they are :P
not sure about your mix of fish.
Just sit it out for a bit and see if the loaches catch on to the yummy food source inching around in the tank.
Thanks everyone for the great information!

Good point about the tank size and number of loaches. I never thought of it that way. The striata I have are close to four inches. They were about two inches when I got them about six months ago.

I actually tried smushing MTS for the striata to eat during the day, which they did readily. It was fun to watch them chase each other around. However, I think the nocturnal nature of the MTS versus the diurnal nature of the striata is a big part of the scenario.

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Post by baldpate » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:23 pm

janma wrote:A loach isn't the only answer for snail control. Try finding Anentome helena aka Clea helena snails. They actually eat MTS and they don't multiply like crazy.
That sounds very cool. I will have to look up more information on that!

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Post by baldpate » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:28 pm

helen nightingale wrote:something to be aware of is that loaches like rapidly moving water, and i believe discus like calm water. are you able to create an area of higher flow for the loaches? the rasboras will probably enjoy it too
You are correct about discus prefering calm water and I would generally describe the waters in my tank as being calm, except about a third near the spray bar from my Rena Filstar filter. :(

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