Just wondering what the best form of medication to treat these type of things is?
The reason I ask is, one of my male platys had a red bottom lip for a couple days, no fungus or cottony growths. When I checked on him a little while ago, his lips/jaw is totally gone, both top and bottom. I figure I'm going to have to euthanize, since it's most likely to late. I'm out of ''true'' fungus meds (don't know if it would have helped anyway) the only other meds I have are Melafix (didn't help), Aqua-sol, and Rid-Ich. So if something like this happened again I want to be ready.
Thanks
Best antibacterial/antibiotic.
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Best antibacterial/antibiotic.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
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For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/
Here is where I usually research which meds are good for which illness. No one antibiotic works against all bacterial issues.
Here is where I usually research which meds are good for which illness. No one antibiotic works against all bacterial issues.
38 tanks, 2 ponds over 4000 liters of water to keep clean and fresh.
Happy fish keeping!
Happy fish keeping!
I picked up both Maracyn I and II. I currently don't need them at the moment but wanted to ask if it would be best to treat with both if the time comes again to use them? Hopefully a time will not come again.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Study more about bacterial diseases of fish. (See that link above)
Many fish diseases are caused by Gram negative bacteria.
Some are caused by Gram positive bacteria.
Treating with antibiotics means using the right medicine for the disease. Often secondary infection will set in while you are treating for the main problem.
Maracyn is Erythromycin, and slows the growth of Gram positive bacteria (Including Cyanobacteria)
Maracyn II slows the growth of Gram negative bacteria.
The two are usually used together.
Many fish diseases are caused by Gram negative bacteria.
Some are caused by Gram positive bacteria.
Treating with antibiotics means using the right medicine for the disease. Often secondary infection will set in while you are treating for the main problem.
Maracyn is Erythromycin, and slows the growth of Gram positive bacteria (Including Cyanobacteria)
Maracyn II slows the growth of Gram negative bacteria.
The two are usually used together.
38 tanks, 2 ponds over 4000 liters of water to keep clean and fresh.
Happy fish keeping!
Happy fish keeping!
books. gotta love em!
http://www.Apaperbackexchange.com
http://www.Apaperbackexchange.com
I did look over the web site quickly since I don't have any problems at the moment. Except the guppy thing which has pretty much cleared up since adding the salt. I also have a very good book on different diseases that I refer to.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
I'll have a look through the back of the book again. They list all the diseases and the best meds, I'll see what comes up most. I usually just look for the disease and then the med for it. I think I remember copper being used for a couple of things, but not really good for some fish. Erythromycin was mentioned and there was formalin to I think and stuff I never heard of before. Most LFS, in my area anyway, don't carry this specific stuff. It's all broad spectrum stuff they carry and some have more then one active ingredient.
The book is Manual of Fish Health: Everything You Need to Know About Aquarium Fish, Their Environment and Disease Prevention.
by Chris Andrews, Adrian Exell, Neville Carrington.
It's really good I think. It covers symptoms, what causes it, prevention and recommended treatment. It's got pictures of the stuff also, let me tell you the pics of the different internal parasites are really gross. Also like I said it lists in the back the diseases and treatment if you don't want to read all the specifics of the disease you might be dealing with. I recommend it for any fish keeper.
I guess my question of best antibiotic/antibacterial was kind of stupid since I pretty much already had the answer at hand, wasn't making the Erythromycin connection. I think the Maracyns are a good deal for the price they're at. You get more treatments then if you just bought something labeled Erythromycin.
Like shari says water changes are best and even the book says that.
The book is Manual of Fish Health: Everything You Need to Know About Aquarium Fish, Their Environment and Disease Prevention.
by Chris Andrews, Adrian Exell, Neville Carrington.
It's really good I think. It covers symptoms, what causes it, prevention and recommended treatment. It's got pictures of the stuff also, let me tell you the pics of the different internal parasites are really gross. Also like I said it lists in the back the diseases and treatment if you don't want to read all the specifics of the disease you might be dealing with. I recommend it for any fish keeper.
I guess my question of best antibiotic/antibacterial was kind of stupid since I pretty much already had the answer at hand, wasn't making the Erythromycin connection. I think the Maracyns are a good deal for the price they're at. You get more treatments then if you just bought something labeled Erythromycin.
Like shari says water changes are best and even the book says that.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Add to that some medicines have a short shelf life.
Even if you discover a fish disease when all the stores are closed, I would start with a couple of water changes anyway, then buy fresh medicines based on research such as your book. Sounds like a good one!
Even if you discover a fish disease when all the stores are closed, I would start with a couple of water changes anyway, then buy fresh medicines based on research such as your book. Sounds like a good one!
38 tanks, 2 ponds over 4000 liters of water to keep clean and fresh.
Happy fish keeping!
Happy fish keeping!
This is going to be a sorta long post. I'm not totally sure if I can post this or not, but new it would help some people. If it turns out it can not be posted I'm sorry and ask that someone wipe it off the site. Here goes.
This information was gathered from Manual of Fish Health: Everything You Need to Know About Aquarium Fish, Their Environment and DiseasePrevention. By Dr. Chris Andrews, Adrian Exell ando Dr. Neville Carrington.
All credit is due to them.The following lists are their suggestions of medications.
Antibacterial/Anti-fungal
Methylene blue: Egg fungus, external protozoans.
Phenoxyethanol: Finrot, cotton-wool disease.
Clortetracycline: Finrot, cotton-wool disease, systemic bacterial infections.
Furazolidone: Systemic bacterial infections, symptoms associated with neon tetra disease.
Kanamycin sulphate: Wasting disease.
Nifurpirinol: Finrot, cotton-wool disease, systemic bacterial infection.
Oxolinic acid: Systemic bacterial infections.
Oxytetracycline hydrochloride Finrot, cotton-wool disease,systemic bacterial infections.
Potentiated sulphonamide (e.g. Tribrissen): Systemic bacterial infections.
Sulphadimidine: Systemic bacterial infections.
Suphafurazole
plus
doxycycline hydrochloride
or
minocycline hydrochloride: Wasting disease.
External Parasites
Copper: Skin and gill protozoans, flukes, etc.
Formalin: Skin and gill flukes, sliminess of the skin, white spot.
Malachite green: Fungus, white spot, sliminess of the skin, velvet.
Malachite green with Formalin: Sliminess of the skin, other external protozoans and flukes.
Metriphonate: Skin and gill flukes, parasitic crustaceans, leaches.
Potassium permanganate: Active against fish lice, general plant disinfectant.
Salt: Depends on concentration.
0.01% Reduce nitrite toxicity.
0.1% Supportive treatment for physical damage.
0.3% Again as supportive treatment.
0.3%-0.5% Control hydra.
1% Supportive treatment for coldwater fish with ulcer disease, acclimate slowly.
2%-3% Removes leaches from pond fish, 15-30 minute dip only.
Internal Parasites
Dimetridazole: Hexamita.
Furazolidone: Hexamita, symptoms associated with neon tetra disease.
Levamisole: Internal nematodes.
Mebendazole: Intestinal tapeworms.
Metronidazole: Hexamita
Niclosamide: Intestinal helminths particularly tapeworms.
Piperazine citrate: Intestinal roundworms.
Praziquantel: Internal helminths especially tapeworms and (perhaps) fish heartworm.
Toltrazuril: Possibly effective in treating neon tetra disease.
I apologize for any spelling mistakes I have made from paper to computer transfer. Some of these medications you will most likely only beable to get from a vet, but the list gives you options to choose from. In the book most of the diseases say to treat with one of the recommended from the list, but some will list a specific med from the list if there is more improvement with that then the others. If you like I can go through the book and post these also.
Anyway I hope this helps someone and I don't get in to to much trouble if I did a bad bad thing.
Note: I missed Antibiotic or maybe there wasn't one. I'll go back and get it if there was.
This information was gathered from Manual of Fish Health: Everything You Need to Know About Aquarium Fish, Their Environment and DiseasePrevention. By Dr. Chris Andrews, Adrian Exell ando Dr. Neville Carrington.
All credit is due to them.The following lists are their suggestions of medications.
Antibacterial/Anti-fungal
Methylene blue: Egg fungus, external protozoans.
Phenoxyethanol: Finrot, cotton-wool disease.
Clortetracycline: Finrot, cotton-wool disease, systemic bacterial infections.
Furazolidone: Systemic bacterial infections, symptoms associated with neon tetra disease.
Kanamycin sulphate: Wasting disease.
Nifurpirinol: Finrot, cotton-wool disease, systemic bacterial infection.
Oxolinic acid: Systemic bacterial infections.
Oxytetracycline hydrochloride Finrot, cotton-wool disease,systemic bacterial infections.
Potentiated sulphonamide (e.g. Tribrissen): Systemic bacterial infections.
Sulphadimidine: Systemic bacterial infections.
Suphafurazole
plus
doxycycline hydrochloride
or
minocycline hydrochloride: Wasting disease.
External Parasites
Copper: Skin and gill protozoans, flukes, etc.
Formalin: Skin and gill flukes, sliminess of the skin, white spot.
Malachite green: Fungus, white spot, sliminess of the skin, velvet.
Malachite green with Formalin: Sliminess of the skin, other external protozoans and flukes.
Metriphonate: Skin and gill flukes, parasitic crustaceans, leaches.
Potassium permanganate: Active against fish lice, general plant disinfectant.
Salt: Depends on concentration.
0.01% Reduce nitrite toxicity.
0.1% Supportive treatment for physical damage.
0.3% Again as supportive treatment.
0.3%-0.5% Control hydra.
1% Supportive treatment for coldwater fish with ulcer disease, acclimate slowly.
2%-3% Removes leaches from pond fish, 15-30 minute dip only.
Internal Parasites
Dimetridazole: Hexamita.
Furazolidone: Hexamita, symptoms associated with neon tetra disease.
Levamisole: Internal nematodes.
Mebendazole: Intestinal tapeworms.
Metronidazole: Hexamita
Niclosamide: Intestinal helminths particularly tapeworms.
Piperazine citrate: Intestinal roundworms.
Praziquantel: Internal helminths especially tapeworms and (perhaps) fish heartworm.
Toltrazuril: Possibly effective in treating neon tetra disease.
I apologize for any spelling mistakes I have made from paper to computer transfer. Some of these medications you will most likely only beable to get from a vet, but the list gives you options to choose from. In the book most of the diseases say to treat with one of the recommended from the list, but some will list a specific med from the list if there is more improvement with that then the others. If you like I can go through the book and post these also.
Anyway I hope this helps someone and I don't get in to to much trouble if I did a bad bad thing.
Note: I missed Antibiotic or maybe there wasn't one. I'll go back and get it if there was.
Last edited by lf11casey on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
The term antibiotic and antibacterial are often used interchangeably.
Some bacterial problems of fish look more like fungus, and have common names suggesting they are fungus, but they are bacterial.
Some meds are listed for both bacterial and fungal issues, but with the confusion over what is really bacteria and what is really fungal I wonder if the medicine really is both antibacterial and antifungal?
Does your book say what general groups of bacteria each medicine treats?
(Gram negative, Gram positive, or other group?)
Same question about internal parasites. There are different sorts of 'worms', and any one medicine may not be best If you can ID the parasite you can target the best medicine, or you could alternate between two different acting meds if you are not sure which parasite the fish have.
Some bacterial problems of fish look more like fungus, and have common names suggesting they are fungus, but they are bacterial.
Some meds are listed for both bacterial and fungal issues, but with the confusion over what is really bacteria and what is really fungal I wonder if the medicine really is both antibacterial and antifungal?
Does your book say what general groups of bacteria each medicine treats?
(Gram negative, Gram positive, or other group?)
Same question about internal parasites. There are different sorts of 'worms', and any one medicine may not be best If you can ID the parasite you can target the best medicine, or you could alternate between two different acting meds if you are not sure which parasite the fish have.
38 tanks, 2 ponds over 4000 liters of water to keep clean and fresh.
Happy fish keeping!
Happy fish keeping!
Diana you are right the antibacterial and antibiotic are used interchangeably.
It does not say if the med being used is for a gram positive or gram negative disease. But for each med it says what it treats best whether fin rot or body fungus, some of course are used for more then one. The same goes for the parasite meds, each lists what it works for tapeworm, round worm, Ich or whatever. I was going to list all this stuff the first time, but changed my mind. I guess I should have, I will fix this problem and post that.
When my area aquarium society was going, I started to write articles for them using the information from this book. I summarized the information of a disease (reason, symptoms and treatment) giving due credit to the source of course and they posted on the website and in the club newsletter for everyones use. The club has since disbanded which stinks, president moved and no one willing to take his place. I'm willing to post what I had sent in before and start doing the research again if it would be helpful for people here. I don't mind doing it, I like helping people, but I will wait for permission before doing so.
It does not say if the med being used is for a gram positive or gram negative disease. But for each med it says what it treats best whether fin rot or body fungus, some of course are used for more then one. The same goes for the parasite meds, each lists what it works for tapeworm, round worm, Ich or whatever. I was going to list all this stuff the first time, but changed my mind. I guess I should have, I will fix this problem and post that.
When my area aquarium society was going, I started to write articles for them using the information from this book. I summarized the information of a disease (reason, symptoms and treatment) giving due credit to the source of course and they posted on the website and in the club newsletter for everyones use. The club has since disbanded which stinks, president moved and no one willing to take his place. I'm willing to post what I had sent in before and start doing the research again if it would be helpful for people here. I don't mind doing it, I like helping people, but I will wait for permission before doing so.
Casey
Water is the substance from which life is born. (Mortal Kombat)
For beneath the surface, lies the future. (SeaQuest DSV)
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