New here and need help fast! Kuhli loach problem

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Louise
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Post by Louise » Fri May 22, 2009 7:33 am

Ok I don't know the exact volume of the tank all I know is that it's a 25 gallon tank. I take out 12 gallons and put 12 gallons back in. 50% is pretty close. I add the Prime before putting the water in the bucket then fill it up. As for the Kulhi I'm not an expert but it's a striped little eel cute as can be I think it's a pangio the ones you see most common with stripes.

I add the flourish once a week just dump it in the water usually a day after my water change.

I tried a 20% water change with no better result but with the "letting the water sit" method I tried this last time and a 10% water change things looked good.

Sorry I can't help on the volume and math was never my strong suit (can't even figure out my water KG/GH gah!

Forgot to add water temp is 20C

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Post by chefkeith » Fri May 22, 2009 6:42 pm

There is another major problem. 20 C is not warm enough for most loaches.
20 C = 68 F.

25- 28 C is the proper temperature for most loaches, but to be sure you must correctly ID your loach 1st.

There are 7 pangio species that look the way you described.

Can you please look here and tell which one you have?-
http://www.loaches.com/species-index/pi ... ound-color

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Post by Louise » Sat May 23, 2009 7:42 pm

This is my loach Pangio kuhlii I'm sure of it.

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Post by chefkeith » Sat May 23, 2009 9:54 pm

Excellent. You'll need to turn up the heater to about 25-28 C.

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Post by Louise » Sun May 24, 2009 10:33 pm

No I won't I just lost my last one :(
Well I'm going to deal with the fish I have now, going to miss my kuhli's and there antics but I can't take all these weird symptoms anymore I suffer right along with them and the seizures have not been explained so until I know what I'm doing wrong no loaches for me *sigh*

Thank you everyone for trying to help it means a lot to me.

Louise

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Post by chefkeith » Sun May 24, 2009 11:59 pm

Sorry to hear it.

I've had one of my Pangio myersi die the same way as yours about a year ago. The seizures was its internal organs shutting down. My loach was a fat egg bearing female and became bloated over quite some time, then one day it was swimming oddly in the front of the tank wiggling around and having those seizures. I removed the fish from my main tank at this point and put it in a quarantine tank (with water from the main tanks). It died not long after that.

Fish can usually only handle one major problem or stress at a time. It usually takes 2 major problems to weaken a fish enough to where they can't recover.

Some of the stresses are-
acclimation stress (changing of water chemistry)
water chemistry stress (water chemistry being out of range)
water quality issues (toxins in the water, even nitrate is a toxin)
water temperature stress (temperature being out of range)
injury (damage to body part)
physiological stress (young, old, or pregnant fish)
emotional stress (poor housing, compatibility issues, too small of a shoal size)
pathological (parasites/bacteria)

IMO, my loach probably died due to an internal blockage caused by the eggs binding up or an injury caused by getting stuck in some driftwood.

I don't know how else to explain it, but the water temperature was way too low in your tank. This was a major stress and made it difficult for the loaches to handle any other stresses. It's the added stress from the water changes that probably caused the downhill spiral. The specific chemistry problem that happens during the water change is the only real question.

Almost 20 years ago at my college house I use to have an Oscar that would float to the top of tank after water changes. This was probably because the tap water contained high amounts of CO2. CO2 can be an anesthetic and can put fish or even people to sleep if the content is high enough. After 20 minutes or so the fish would wake up and would be fine.

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Post by Louise » Mon May 25, 2009 9:45 am

Well if I ever find more kuhlis I'll try again but I'll need advice on how to loach proof my tank too. I haven't seen anymore little specks of mold in my tank for about a week so maybe that's under control.

I thought this would be a relaxing thing it's not LOL!

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