Mysterious Fish Deaths - Help!

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Mysterious Fish Deaths - Help!

Post by PASoracco » Wed May 05, 2010 4:17 am

I woke up yesterday and my 5 year old bulldog pleco was dead. No discoloration on the skin or gills, no bloating, no odd spots/patches, etc. Everyone else looks fine.

Last night before I go to bed I'm checking on the fish, and find a small clown loach dead. He was quarantined with 6 others for almost two months and had been living in the community tank for another several months. Once again, no discoloration, spots, torn finnage, etc. He was a little bloated, but I had fed cocktail shrimp earlier in the day and it looked like a full tummy swell. Oddest thing was both of his spines were fully protruded.

This morning I found a dead adolescent SAE and an adult sidthimunki stuck to my power head that both looked perfectly fine aside from the damage from the filter. I had had the SAE for about 3 months and the sid for 2 years.

Tonight when I got home from work, a second small dead clown; another of my young odd balls :( Same deal, with no visible marks or discoloration, except for one red mark/bruise right between the eyes. He also had his spines out.

Water parameters have been fine; I'm doing small twice daily water changes and treating with mela-fix to combat...? The fish, living and dead, have no visible symptoms. No new fish or plants. No new foods, meds, fertilizers.

Recently my three largest clowns have started fighting for the first time, locking barbels, clicking loudly and leaving lots of deep, red wounds on each other. It makes me wonder about the small clowns dying with their spines out, especially the one with what appeared to be an injury. The bulldog plec was old, and the sid and SAE were both quite small; could they be getting caught in the way of the larger clown's aggression?

any thoughts in general? the numbers aren't telling me anything and the fish look fine. I don't know what to do; I couldn't stand the tank crashing for no reason at all.
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Post by Diana » Wed May 05, 2010 10:13 am

Pierce, your tanks looked really good, too! Plenty of cover for the fish to get out of each others' way and hide if one of them was getting aggressive.

To lose so many so fast is not just a random event.

How long have these fish been together? Were the larger Clowns recently added because their larger tank leaked? They might be the culprits.

I am not sure, but I think sticking out their spines can happen when they die, not just because they are defending themselves.
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Post by chefkeith » Wed May 05, 2010 3:22 pm

It's just bottom feeders dying, correct?

Are the dead just showing up after night hours or do you see them struggle during daytime hours?

If it's a night time issue, I'd 1st look into high CO2 or low Oxygen levels. Then I'd investigate the location of where they rest at night. Perhaps there are some anaerobic gas pockets in the substrate that are poisoning them.

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Post by PASoracco » Wed May 05, 2010 11:10 pm

Diana wrote:How long have these fish been together? Were the larger Clowns recently added because their larger tank leaked? They might be the culprits.
All of the fish currently in this tank lived in the larger one, and the older clowns started showing the aggression before the move. The smaller clowns have lived with the larger clowns since they finished quarantine, but I have never seen aggression between any of my clowns except the three largest.
chefkeith wrote:It's just bottom feeders dying, correct?

Are the dead just showing up after night hours or do you see them struggle during daytime hours?

If it's a night time issue, I'd 1st look into high CO2 or low Oxygen levels. Then I'd investigate the location of where they rest at night. Perhaps there are some anaerobic gas pockets in the substrate that are poisoning them.
The pleco, SAE and sid were all over the tank, but the fish predominately are bottom feeders, yes.

The fish have been showing up at various times during the day and I haven't seen anyone struggling. The tank is in my living room and my roommates let me know if anything seems wrong with the fish; i've trained them to tell the difference between dead and napping fish.

The tank has two canisters (one W/D), a HOB, koralia powerhead, tons of live plants and a bubble bar; I can't imagine there isn't enough O2 in the tank, even at night.

No more dead fish today, everyone looks fine, and the numbers are still good. I will keep you guys posted; any further suggestions are appreciated.
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Post by PASoracco » Sun May 09, 2010 4:08 am

It has been a couple days, and no one else has died. Parameters stayed normal, and all the fish still look fine. I wonder if one fish died naturally, and the other fish got sick from picking at it? I already miss my dwarf pleco darting all over the tank :(
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