Tiny little craters/holes

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Tiny little craters/holes

Post by surgeon » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:54 pm

Hi there.

I bought some friends for my clown loach. 3 2" clown loaches and all was well but I have noticed that they have developed tiny little pinhead 'holes/craters'. They look like someone has cut out a very shallow pinhead sized circle , its primarily on the top fin although they do have a few in other parts of the body. its easy to see on the top fin as the black is gone to reveal the orange underneath. One loach appears worse than the others with one of its 'holes' getting to rice bubble size on the top fin (though sttill shallow).

I have very good eyes and a have got a good look at the problem. There are no parisites visible, no infection at the site. At first I thought it could be ich but none of the telltale signs of ich are there (white spots). I dont think its injury, too circular and too evenly spread amoungst the fish. Fish themselves do not yet appear ill, their colour is good and appetite is fine.

Water conditions are good PH neutral, nitrates have been low to very low for the past few weeks and I have been being doing a lot of water changes hoping to avoid the new loaches getting ill. Temperature has been high (~30C) due to Australian summer temperatures being crazy hot night and day. Also have previously done 2 teatments of prazi anti parisite treatment as directed on the bottle (because everyone says they come full of worms).

As a side note. My big loach (3 to 4 times their size) hates his new friends :( he hides in his log and if they come near him he chases them away. His colour is also faded, poor guy. I guess I should have let him live alone.

Any ideas? Im just going to have to try a broad spectrum antibiotic if I cant diagnose.

edit:
The symptoms do not seem to match anything on this list as the holes are just holes with no swelling, blisters or borders.

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Re: Tiny little craters/holes

Post by surgeon » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:42 pm

Noticed a single white spot on one of the loaches, given the current heat I've concluded that perhaps Ick is the responsible party, just that its growing and 'popping' too fast for me to notice. Im confused as to why it hasnt overtaken the tank yet though in typical ick fashion.

Treated with mach green, standard loach dose. Strangely all the loaches seem to like the murky green water!

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Re: Tiny little craters/holes

Post by Diana » Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:18 am

Pits or holes does not sound like Ich.
At 30*C most strains of Ich do not survive. If they did they would show up on the fish for a few days, you would see them. Yes, they would fall off pretty fast, but not so fast you would miss them.

Pale, in a Clown Loach can be a dominance thing. Your original Loach is telling the others that this is his cave, and go away and leave him alone.
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Re: Tiny little craters/holes

Post by surgeon » Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:36 pm

Its been a terrible heatwave in Aus the past week and water temp has been 30C-34C (tested with multiple thermometers). Everything I've read sas ich can't live in those temps but lo and behold my danios got the white dots too.

The 'multicure' med* seems to be working on the ich and the pitting/holes appear to be getting better. I've had to watch the dosage carefully due to the heat, the unknown line between effectiveness and lethality! It is frustrating not knowing what the problem was and if the meds were a $30 waste of time. Especially given its impact on my plants, they are unahappy :mrgreen:

Thanks for the info on the loach. One of the much smaller new ones is now the boss of the small guys, spends most of his time chasing them away from food rather than eating it. Annoying!

*multicure was the only med i could find that wasnt one of the fast ich removers that have formaldehyde+mach green (wetwebmedia states that those ich removers are deadly as heck to loaches).

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Re: Tiny little craters/holes

Post by Diana » Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:10 pm

If Ich is surviving at that temperature then you unfortunately have something called Super Ich.
Very hard to kill. Perhaps investing in a UV sterilizer would be the way to go.

Do some really good searches. The first thing that will come up is a medication called Super Ich Cure, or something like that. Keep digging.

I will see what I can link, too.

Here is one than mentions the problems that are showing up with Ich. Strains that...
a) Survives to 90*F
b) Reproduce without leaving the fish
http://www.koivet.com/a_ich_freshwater_ ... sease.html

Lots of basics here.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml

More basics here.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa006
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