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Post by Emma Turner » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:05 pm

Methinks it won't be long before Keith is persuaded to join the Hillstream Gang! :lol:

I myself have only ever kept 3 of the sucker-bodied hillstream loaches, those being a species of Annamia plus Sewellia lineolata and Sewellia sp. 'spotted'. Both Sewellia species are so entertaining to watch, especially the S. lineolata which are a lot more confident and venture out and about more than the spotties. They spend a lot of their time grazing about on the cobbles and glass, shuffling along and enjoying the current. I think they have very good eyesight and can spot another Sewellia from some distance and often glide through the water to get to it. They quite often have minor shoving matches, pushing each other off of favourite pebbles etc and sometimes it gets a bit more serious such as what was happening in that video I posted. When people who aren't familiar with this sort of fish see them in our shop, they have been known to ask whether they are baby stingrays! Not only is the shape quite similar, but they also engage in some of the 'topping' behaviour when squabbling. Mine also sit on the sand and flutter their fins about to agitate the sand and look for morsels of food - this fluttering action is reminicent of a butterfly, which is probably why some have the common name of butterfly loaches. There are so many quirky behaviours that I could describe, but hopefully this will give a bit of an insight. Others here who keep different species will be able to fill you in on the behaviours of some of their fish. And of course, when you are lucky enough to have some spawn, raising the young is so rewarding.

I'll have to try for some more video footage soon, maybe at feeding time when the tank is a real hive of activity. 8)

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Post by Keith Wolcott » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:54 pm

Thanks Emma. You are probably correct in that I could easily be assimilated. Resistance may be futile. Your description gives me a better understanding of their behavior. I would appreciate more video of course.

Since I am starting fresh with a new tank (new fish that is), I have a chance to choose a completely different setup. My 75 gal tank is now set up and operating with Martin's river manifold and I just have 4 Serpae Tetras in a quarantine tank. I also plan (after I double up the joists under the floor) to get a much larger tank of about 250 gallons. I had planned on joining the two tanks with a water bridge and having Clowns, Kubotai, and Striata, with Devario assamensis for dither fish. But now it has crossed my mind that I could do the same, except with Hillstreams in both tanks, or I could skip the water bridge (because of the different temperature requirements) and use the small tank for Hillstreams and the large tank for the Clowns, Kubotai, and Striata.

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Post by Mad Duff » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:00 am

It is in a way hard to describe why they are so fascinating because there is so much about them that is different from your average fish.

I would have to go with everything that Emma said and if I was to add one thing to that it would be leaf surfing :lol: , it is great to watch as one of the Cheni gets onto a leaf that is directly in the flow of the powerhead and seems to hang on for dear life and when it has had enough and come off the leaf another one gets on and it is almost like a competition of who can last the longest :lol:

It is also great how they can make very subtle changes to their pattern as they move around different rocks, pebbles and bogwood and blend in really well :)

I cant wait to get started on my second river tank and I am even considering parting with the contents of my South American tank and moving the contents of my 44 gallon loach tank into it to make the 44 gallon a river tank.
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Post by Keith Wolcott » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:13 am

Thanks Mad Duff. They sound very interesting indeed.

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Post by Jim Powers » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:49 pm

Keith, another interesting thing about having hillstreams besides the high level of activity, is the fact that the tank is so different.
I have always been attracted to running water which got me interested in these fish initially. Seeing the heavy flow in the tank and how the fish relate to it, is very relaxing and entertaining. Martin's design creates unidirectional flow which really allows you to watch hillstreams at their best.
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Post by Keith Wolcott » Mon Mar 26, 2007 7:22 pm

Good point Jim.

Mad Duff- How are the P. cheni doing? Post some more pictures when you get a chance please.

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Post by Mad Duff » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:23 am

As requested by Keith :D

I didn't realise until I went to upload some more photos of the P. Cheni just now that I have 167 images of the P. Cheni that have been taken since Saturday afternoon :shock:

No wonder I had to charge the camera battery up again yesterday :lol:

I managed to get these 3 pictures last night, two of the P. Cheni decided to have a little squabble over a cobble:

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Mr Angry changes colour
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Mr Angry charges :)
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And these are some other random images
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Post by Emma Turner » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:18 am

Mad Duff wrote:Hope everyone enjoyed them :D
You bet!!!! :mrgreen:
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Post by Mad Duff » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:45 am

Thanks Emma :D
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Post by Keith Wolcott » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:04 am

Thanks. Excellent pictures.

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Post by Mad Duff » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:17 pm

Thanks Keith :) , although at this moment in time I am completely gutted :cry:

I have been busy all day working on a couple of other tanks and sorting out some jobs in the pond and I've just come to walk past the rivertank and found the biggest Cheni dead at the front of the tank :cry:

I had a quick look in the tank this morning and found that quite a bit of digging around stones had been going on overnight but with been busy on other things I never got chance to have a really good look, when I found the big Cheni dead I had a closer look in the tank and saw something that didn't seem right and on further investigation one of the smaller Cheni has somehow managed to get its self stuck under a stone that had quite a bit of gravel dug from in front of it.

I think I might add a small dose of either Myxazin or Protozin shortly just in case and keep my fingers crossed that the other 5 are ok :(
I did a little bit more looking around and found another small Cheni at the other end of the tank dead, The large Cheni hadn't even had chance to loose any colour at all so it must have just died.

I have done a 30% water change and the 5 remaining Cheni seem happy enough and are foraging around on the bogwood and rocks.

I was thinking that it could be ammonia or something caused by the smallest Cheni that probably died last night but there are lots of Zebra Danio fry that are only about 3mm long swimming around quite happily so I would have thought that they would have been the first affected if it had been an ammonia spike, so now I am wondering if the Cheni are/were carrying something :?
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Post by LES.. » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:26 pm

That is very sad news Mark, all I can do is offer my best wishes for your remaining fish.

We have been very lucky with only one newly added fish dying after a few days in the tank, hopefully you can get the rest stabilised. As to your comment about finding a loach buried under a stone, ours do that all the time, they will burrow in to the most impossible spaces literally swimming through the gravel and will just poke their noses out periodically. This is especially true of the youngsters.

Hope the rest stay well.

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Post by Jim Powers » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:47 pm

Oh!! Sorry to hear that MD. :cry:
Hopefully, you have no more losses. Sometimes these fish get stressed out in transit and just die. I am always on edge for the first week after I get any hillstream. Keep an eye on the rest and see if they are eating.
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Post by Mad Duff » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:55 pm

Les - After seeing all the digging that had been going on over night I had wondered at first if the unthinkable had happened and possibly some spawning activity had been going on but seeing the remaining 5 digging and like you describe it "swimming through gravel" I dont think so. I realised afterwards that the one that had died under the stone had got stuck between the underside of the stone and the manifold pipe, I am now thinking that this may have caused a small amonia spike that caused the death of the other smaller one which in turn added to the previous amonia spike which in turn caused the death of the biggest one. I suppose it wouldnt take much amonia to cause problems if they are still a little stressed.

Jim - They seem to be eating fine from what I have seen, since I got the first ones on Saturday they have grazed algae and eaten bloodworms, brineshrimp, mysis shrimp and black midge larvae. They all lokked a little hollow bellied when I got them but all had started to fill out well even within a ouple of days.
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Post by Emma Turner » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:58 pm

Awwwww, sorry to hear this Mark. :cry: Fingers crossed that the remainder make it. Do you know if the store had quarantined them before sale?

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