I went to the LFS to pick up some bloodworms and it seems they got a freshwater shipment yesterday. The loaches I ordered last week came in. So I uh, bought them all. They're not rostrata or dario as I expected. There was 1 kubotai and some very tiny yoyos, I thought I counted four. I might have been able to resist the weather loaches after some thought, but I couldn't resist these. So I uh, bought them all. After he netted the kubotai and four yoyos, I saw one last yoyo left in the tank. I couldn't leave him by himself, I bought him, too. They didn't have a label on the tank, probably because they didn't know what they were, but they only charged me $3 for each of them.
They're all tiny now but once they are all full grown I may have to upgrade my tank or get a seperate tank for them or the gouramis. We will see when the time comes. If they last that long, I am a little worried about these reports of all yoyos in a tank dying overnight. I can only be careful about contaminants and hope it doesn't happen to me.
They are floating in their bag in the tank right now. I'm trying to decide if I should set up that 20 gallon as a quarantine for them or not. It still has that blue silicone in it. And I was saying I would be careful about contaminants. Otherwise I'll have to just dump them in the tank. Opinions?
Wish me luck with them!
Tammy
Came back with more than bloodworms...
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Congradulations!
And a warning: Yoyo's grow very fast. I bought mine in January, and they were smaller than 1" (about 1.5cm). The largest two are now over 2.5". For the practical purposes, your tiny yoyo's should be counted as 3" fish (==15 gallons, subtract this from your 55g tank....).
Kubotai at $3 is a very good price (I paid $8, and I think the price went further up now).
As for the quarantine, you probably already made the decision, but if they are still in the bag, you probably should release them to the main tank -- not the best idea, but you also cannot cycle your 20g instantly...
hth.
And a warning: Yoyo's grow very fast. I bought mine in January, and they were smaller than 1" (about 1.5cm). The largest two are now over 2.5". For the practical purposes, your tiny yoyo's should be counted as 3" fish (==15 gallons, subtract this from your 55g tank....).
Kubotai at $3 is a very good price (I paid $8, and I think the price went further up now).
As for the quarantine, you probably already made the decision, but if they are still in the bag, you probably should release them to the main tank -- not the best idea, but you also cannot cycle your 20g instantly...
hth.
I put them in the main tank because the family needed me for this and that and everything tonight. I didn't have a chance to finish setting up the 20 gallon tank after cleaning it out and filling it in the backyard to check for leaks. They spent two hours in a bucket with a heater. Their color was all washed out in the bucket as they layed in a pile under the heater (so cute!) but beautful in my tank and I saw most of them eating tonight, as well as the rostrata (thanks Graeme).
The kubotai looks like it might have one spot of ich on a fin. I caught him flashing on the substrate, too. I am considering taking him out tomorrow to medicate him. A good idea? Malachite green? The yoyos may have it, too, but they are so silvery I wouldn't be able to tell. I don't think I would be able to catch them all. Comments appreciated although I don't want to be a pest!
The kubotai looks like it might have one spot of ich on a fin. I caught him flashing on the substrate, too. I am considering taking him out tomorrow to medicate him. A good idea? Malachite green? The yoyos may have it, too, but they are so silvery I wouldn't be able to tell. I don't think I would be able to catch them all. Comments appreciated although I don't want to be a pest!
If it is ich (and Kubotais do get it), you have to medicate the entire tank now.---this is actually one good reason not to put new fish into the main tank. Hopefully you don't have any clowns there.
There are many meds one can use....
My favorite is Ich Guard (1/2 dosage in combination with Temp raise and some salt); others will recommend something else.
Good Luck!
There are many meds one can use....
My favorite is Ich Guard (1/2 dosage in combination with Temp raise and some salt); others will recommend something else.
Good Luck!
That is a bit of a mystery: Victoria Green. I was not able to find out if it is Malachite Green or something else. The other components are acriflavine and salt.TammyLiz wrote:What is the main ingredient in ich guard? There are so many things out there with fancy names like that and there are only a few actual meds. I might already have something else with the same stuff in it.
I have a formalin/malachite green med. Do you think that would work as well? A half dose would only be 13 drops in my tank. Does a half dose really get rid of it? Thats not much.
EDIT:
OK Mike, I see you've gone to bed and I need to also. I am going to go ahead and put those 13 drops in there. I don't like the idea of salt because of my plants, but I'll put a teeny bit in there. Raising the temp will have to wait until tomorrow because I'll have to dig up a second heater. I know that just speeds things up anyways. Wish the little guys luck.
EDIT:
OK Mike, I see you've gone to bed and I need to also. I am going to go ahead and put those 13 drops in there. I don't like the idea of salt because of my plants, but I'll put a teeny bit in there. Raising the temp will have to wait until tomorrow because I'll have to dig up a second heater. I know that just speeds things up anyways. Wish the little guys luck.
Last edited by TammyLiz on Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Half-dose suggestion applied only to IchGuard. I have no idea about other meds, they may have the same components and different recommended dosage.
Probably the best is to say exactly which med you have and perhaps someone who used it would make a recommendation on the dosage and what to do with salt and temperature.
The important thing is to move asap, ich can kill quickly (look at Xirxes threads)
Probably the best is to say exactly which med you have and perhaps someone who used it would make a recommendation on the dosage and what to do with salt and temperature.
The important thing is to move asap, ich can kill quickly (look at Xirxes threads)
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TammyLiz, I would recommend Ich products that combine formalin and malachite (blue or green). I would follow the basic steps and treat at half the recommended dose or more. Not full dose.
You want to treat Ich early and aggressively. The very least you should do is remove your charcoal filter from the tank, and raise the temperature in very small increments, over days, to 86F. You should increase water circulation in higher temperatures to compensate for loss of oxygen. And complete at least one or two cycles of the treatment even after signs of Ich are gone from the fish.
It should also be said that in the event that a person were pregnant or nursing or around small children, that person should NOT use products containing formalin or malachite blue or green - at all costs. Both are genuinely toxic enough to be banned in some areas. Handle these chemicals very carefully in any case.
In my experience, if you're safe to use products like Rid Ich and others that combine these chemicals, you can be confident within a week or ten days that the Ich is losing the battle. You may also lose sensitive or immuno-compromised fish.
But don't dawdle. If it is Ich, treat it sooner than later. Good luck.
You want to treat Ich early and aggressively. The very least you should do is remove your charcoal filter from the tank, and raise the temperature in very small increments, over days, to 86F. You should increase water circulation in higher temperatures to compensate for loss of oxygen. And complete at least one or two cycles of the treatment even after signs of Ich are gone from the fish.
It should also be said that in the event that a person were pregnant or nursing or around small children, that person should NOT use products containing formalin or malachite blue or green - at all costs. Both are genuinely toxic enough to be banned in some areas. Handle these chemicals very carefully in any case.
In my experience, if you're safe to use products like Rid Ich and others that combine these chemicals, you can be confident within a week or ten days that the Ich is losing the battle. You may also lose sensitive or immuno-compromised fish.
But don't dawdle. If it is Ich, treat it sooner than later. Good luck.
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An update on the ich issue.
I've got the tank at 80F, adding a half dose of formalin/malachite green once daily, and yesterday added half the amount of salt recommended, which ended up being 5 tablespoons for the 55 gallon tank. It looked like a lot!
My plants will suffer if I go any warmer.
I'm kind of attached to my java fern var. 'windelov' and when I went too warm a while back I lost my smaller one. I am hoping the fish will be ok at 80. Am I making a big mistake here?
The kubotai and one of the rostrata(?) I originally got are spending a lot of time laying on the bottom in the middle of the open area in the tank. They're on their bellies with their noses pointed towards the front glass. Is this a bad sign? I haven't had them long enough to know. One of the yoyos keeps flashing his right side on the substrate but I looked very closely and saw no spots at all. I hope its not in his gills.
So anyone who knows about the laying still thing...
--Tammy
I've got the tank at 80F, adding a half dose of formalin/malachite green once daily, and yesterday added half the amount of salt recommended, which ended up being 5 tablespoons for the 55 gallon tank. It looked like a lot!
My plants will suffer if I go any warmer.
I'm kind of attached to my java fern var. 'windelov' and when I went too warm a while back I lost my smaller one. I am hoping the fish will be ok at 80. Am I making a big mistake here?The kubotai and one of the rostrata(?) I originally got are spending a lot of time laying on the bottom in the middle of the open area in the tank. They're on their bellies with their noses pointed towards the front glass. Is this a bad sign? I haven't had them long enough to know. One of the yoyos keeps flashing his right side on the substrate but I looked very closely and saw no spots at all. I hope its not in his gills.
So anyone who knows about the laying still thing...
--Tammy
Tammy,
For temperature to be helpful, it should be higher, 85F or more. I don't think that 75F->80F improves things all that much.
I'm no expert on plants, but perhaps it is possible to move java fern to your 20g for a few days while you treat? Plants don't need cycled tanks.
If your kubotai is very young (say < 1.5") long inactivity is atypical and should be seen as a warning sign. I lost one six months ago, inactivity was the first sign, and by the time I realized it was a heavy bacterial infection and found a working med, it was too late.
Gill infection is certainly a possibility...unfortunately.
hth and best of luck!
For temperature to be helpful, it should be higher, 85F or more. I don't think that 75F->80F improves things all that much.
I'm no expert on plants, but perhaps it is possible to move java fern to your 20g for a few days while you treat? Plants don't need cycled tanks.
If your kubotai is very young (say < 1.5") long inactivity is atypical and should be seen as a warning sign. I lost one six months ago, inactivity was the first sign, and by the time I realized it was a heavy bacterial infection and found a working med, it was too late.
Gill infection is certainly a possibility...unfortunately.
hth and best of luck!
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I have a decently planted tank and while i have no java fern/moss i didn't lose any plants when i bumped the heat up to 86 (and then to 88) for a couple of weeks, and then a week & a half of Aquarisol to battle the ich & parasites my Dario had.
I have a few different crypts (wedtii & willisii), a few low light stem plants (didn't get the names argh), Microsorum, a few Echinodorus (Rubin, Subalatus, macrophyllus) and everything came out the other side alright. I'm running no C02 and just 1 watt per gallon lighting. Dunno if i got lucky but the heat didn't seem to affect what i have at all.
I have a few different crypts (wedtii & willisii), a few low light stem plants (didn't get the names argh), Microsorum, a few Echinodorus (Rubin, Subalatus, macrophyllus) and everything came out the other side alright. I'm running no C02 and just 1 watt per gallon lighting. Dunno if i got lucky but the heat didn't seem to affect what i have at all.
Mike, you said the one that was inactive and later died had a bacterial infection. Is that something I should treat for just in case in your opinion?
I'm really wishing I could have quarantined. I just had a feeling... What a bummer.
Spankenstyne, I didn't lose any of my other plants with the heat, only the one windelov and some plantlets from the larger one. I seriously doubt it was a coincidence and I'm pretty convinced it was from the high temp.
So the higher temp is pretty important? It seems silly to set up a 20 gallon tank just for a plant but I just might do it.
I'm really wishing I could have quarantined. I just had a feeling... What a bummer.
Spankenstyne, I didn't lose any of my other plants with the heat, only the one windelov and some plantlets from the larger one. I seriously doubt it was a coincidence and I'm pretty convinced it was from the high temp.
So the higher temp is pretty important? It seems silly to set up a 20 gallon tank just for a plant but I just might do it.
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