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Martin Thoene
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Post by Martin Thoene » Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:08 am

Asking to use the information, but not in a word for word way, shows great respect for the convention of common decency. Yet is kind of redundant at the same time.

Our profiles are made up of personal experiences from multiple LOL members over the years, plus research done in many areas by the moderation team when creating these new profiles. The sources of information were multiple and not cited.

There exists another forum which the majority of LOL members cannot see. It is only viewable by LOL moderators. Jeff created it as a "workshop" where we could "build" all the new profiles and they were then pasted over to the new site. All the moderators viewed them, sometimes added information or modified wording, so they were truly a team effort.

I'm sure that we are all glad that our efforts do not go unrecognized and you asking so politely Ded1 is, as Emma says, very refreshing because in the past we have seen LOL content basically "stolen".

Good information is good information.....in any language. The facts will be the same. Writing it down in a different way is what any writer of a book or article does. Putting their own style on given facts. It's the research anyone should do when creating something non-fictional.

We strive to get proper information out to the world of Loach-keepers. If Ded1 wants to use information verbatim (word for word) then he has to ask the site owner in my opinion. If he wants to "research" and write the info down in his own style and wording in his own language then it means that we all did a good job and the info can be spread to non-English readers.

Ded1 does not have to ask anyone for permission to do that but by asking it shows that he places great value on "doing the right thing". I get requests every so often to use my articles verbatim and I always give permission to do it. But I also insist on being fully credited as the author. I did not write my articles to hide them, I write them for the widest disemmination.....otherwize how else can they acheive my intent of spreading knowledge? Allowing translation into other languages helps get that information to non-English reading people.

When it comes down to online useage I have always asked for the user to write back once the translation is done and provide me with a link that can be placed in the Articles Index. Better that someone reads it in their own language as comprehension of the facts will surely be better. That reminds me....I have to put a link in to a Vietnamese translation that's been done :)

LOL is a truly international community and we should strive for international cooperation in spreading the word on correct Loach keeping.

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Post by Emma Turner » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:34 am

Ded1 you have my permission to use those photographs with a credit to me as photographer. :wink:

Best wishes,

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Post by helen nightingale » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:17 am

Ded1 best wishes. it sounds like you have your work cut out with the proposed translations. i would be interested to see your finished work, just out of curiosity to see what it looks like in a foreign language

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Post by Ded1 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:07 am

@Emma

Thank you very much. I very appreciate it.

@Helen

After it is finished and published, I will put a link so you can all "learn" Slovenian and see how it looks like :)

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Post by Tinman » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:42 am

The people here are so thoughtful it draws me back for more and more info now. I came searching for a few things and found so many more .To dedicate a lifes work to the internet is very impressive and shows you all care more about the fish than yourselves which makes the info and opinions even more valuable to a simple fish keeper like myself. Thanks to all the people that work so hard to make this such a quality place to be :D

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Post by Graeme Robson » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:26 am

Cuddles all round.....
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Post by Ded1 » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:30 am

Well, here it is as promissed. But funny thing happened. What I assumed it will be mostly translation of sidh description from loach online, turned out to be translation of few basic informations, and the rest is my work. I had a brainstorm or something and I wrote almost four pages...so :)

I translated basic info and needs ( basic info about fish, water parameters, mentioned 3 rivers where it was used to be fished, 1970 effort to populate them in Phillipines, min. number of fishing and thats it, so I guess amount of translated stuff from loaches online could be put in four sentences ).

On the bottom you will find special thanks to Loaches online and it states ( "thanks to all authors and experts from www.loaches.com, without them this article would be impossibile to write"...and first credit for the main picture goes of course, to lovely Emma Turner ) :)

http://www.akvazin.com/default.cfm?kat= ... 68&noextra

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Post by Emma Turner » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:33 am

Thanks for providing the link and for the credit, Ded1. Are you planning on writing descriptions for other loach species in Slovenian too?

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Post by Ded1 » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:23 pm

Emma Turner wrote:Thanks for providing the link and for the credit, Ded1. Are you planning on writing descriptions for other loach species in Slovenian too?

Emma
Well, considering my love toward loaches, I would love to! :)
Right now, all except one loach species that are available to buy in Slovenia have description on our site, and it is not loach dedicated site...so, I assume I will...one or two...right now it is a wish nothing definte...will make a decision in few weeks :)

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