Help Is this behavior bad?

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:54 pm

this loach is normally more mellow. he does dance but not this intensely. is this a bad sign?

should i put him in a permoxyn bath or meth blue bath for 30 minutes?

i am getting a bit nervous. this loach assumed alpha loach and all the smaller loaches are swimming around with this loach in the lead. but does this look bad?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0U7MiwRehfU

one more video coming

1)one other thing i just noticed. this loach was a very greyed out white colore most of the time in the tank. now hes very dark. even the orange banding on the loach has black on it.
2) the rena x3 output tube is near that area. right now it is pushing tiny bubbles all over the tank. but the loach was doing this behavior before the bubbles started.
3) If I do this dip, is it advisable to take a few fish out at a time put them in the 10 gallon and do this dip? I will have to tear down the entire tank to catch them all. the tank is still a bit yellow from the treatment. i have been running carbon for 24 hours roughly.

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:17 pm

Do a water change if you have not today, 25%, they are skiddish,kill your light for now too to keep down any algea bloom AND help calm them. If you have done a change just before this do a smaller one next time but I don't think you have today yet correct?.....

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 pm

thanks tinman. yes i am in the middle of a wc, turned out the light, it had been off all day. i did all water tests. ill add that data to my alpha loach rip thread.

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:29 pm

Has he calmed now?,if he does you are almost through this crap....Stay vigil and do this again tommorrow as it will repeat all week When did you video that,this afternoon or morn? and don't feed yet !!

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:52 pm

i just finished a 25% water change. the loach has calmed down a bit. he went into the pvc pipe and stayed there for a bit. i just took that video about an hour ago. im uploading more now. he was going crazy again after he took the little break. now hes moving around the tank with the blue moon light on but calmly. he will dart from time to time.

not putting any meds. the loach is searching around the tank. i think they may be restless because they are so hungry. i didn't see the upside down cat for a minute and i thought he was lunch lol. the water looks much clearer and the tank is diffused yellow now. the water ammonia tests showed up with no ammonia and the water appeared clear in a 5ml tube.

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:58 pm

A tiny bit of flake if you feel better just to see if they eat. If they don't go right after it net it back. Water quality is much more important than nutrition this week till your filter is back up and your new one cycles. Don't feed an algea bloom with fish waste.

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:32 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpgUY0iPwho

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:50 pm

I think you said your first fliter quit spinning? Can this motor be bad,..also check your heater for ANY signs of moisture inside or any salt trails from lights so as to check and make sure while you are on high alert that there is not a secondary problem with an electrical issue. This is an excellent time to Prime also as coats are injured from meds and as you have removed most of that crap from your water so that would help sooth any irritation. Rinse your carbon to under clear tap water to chlorine wash it and then replace it to remove the impurities from your system. You can probably lose the old one in a a few days or sooner if it is toast since your cannister is going and IF you did not add a piece of old filter media in your new filter earlier do it while in it rinsing the carbon to jump start it.

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:36 pm

the impeller is burnt out. i replaced it with a new one. this is the third one in a few weeks i have gone through. i put filter material over the intake tube but sand still gets in there. i will keep both of them going for the time being. i think it will be fine. if not i will transfer that filter material into the canister.

hey tinman, thanks for helping me through with this. the blue light is on its about midnight and the loaches are all out calmly playing. the distressed loach seems to be very calm now. no quick gill movement or anything. just relaxing and digging around as usual. i added a bit of prime to the tank. the filters have been cleaned again with old water.

chefkeith · Post by **chefkeith** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:21 am

How high do you keep your intakes from the sand? To avoid the sand from being sucked in, I've been keeping my intakes about 6" from the top of sand.

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:56 am

I also know the feelings you are having from going through this before myself ,I am not a know it all , just killed more fish than most as I have kept more than most. You might take some of those rocks in question out and do a bucket test on them , tank problems are usually a combination of minor problems,not just one thing. I lost two huge eels a couple years ago from what I belive the same thing ,a crash.First sign I caught was a slime coat issue but I did not catch it soon enough. They were arm length and as big around as my wrist and very old and raised from finger size. I also lost part of my loaches in two distinct battles with my tanks over the past ten years . I also had three full blue discus that were plate sized and when that tank crashed in my living room. It was a perfect centerpiece to my house and made people go

. I puked twice a day for a month and almost quit fish keeping over that one......I have had tanks since the 70's since when I was a kid and got a job at a pet store in the fish department and have been hooked ever since.....

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:02 am

chefkeith. its usually 4-6" but this sand is very light. it will go high. i removed one tube from the ac that made it about 12" from the sand. i may do this again. i have the rena x3 about 6" from the bottom.

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:28 pm

the loach in question looks to be a bit more normal today. he is still swimming up and down but at a more calm pace now.

Tinman · Post by **Tinman** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 9:38 pm

Do a smaller 10% change today if your loach is calming

LoachOrgy · Post by **LoachOrgy** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:57 am

i did a 10% yesterday. now the loach is calm but is swimming up and down against the glass like it usually does but it still appears to be doing it quite actively and doing it alone. i am a bit worried still about this loach. maybe the loach is still very sad. i am not sure.

the loach will keep doing this then when the other loaches come near the loach stays calm and starts loachy dancing with them in a more calm manner. this may just be the way this loach does it. i caught him several times in the past doing the loachy dance alone.

the loach that died with the bloating kept swimming with its body vertically for about 3 days. this loach is showing no signs of bloating. but it is using an odd amount of energy. the previous loach that died woulnd't stop swimming for days.

the loach moves the gills quickly when its moving like this. when it calms down the gills look to be moving normally.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=EgaU0EfqKl4

the loach has been doing this on and off with a few minute breaks between for close to two hours.

i have not medicated the tank again. does anyone think its time to dip this loach into meth blue or the permaganate dip?

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