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Martin Thoene · Post by **Martin Thoene** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:22 pm

Martin, haven't you ever been out of North America?

I'm 54 years old, I've lived here since 2001 and lived in England since I was born, so.........

Martin.

brukekubold · Post by **brukekubold** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:52 pm

So your saying that for 49 years A4 was the standard sheet of paper you used, but you did not realize it was different in size than than the 8.5 x 11 letter.
They are very close in size and unless you try to print one layout on the other the difference is not that obvious.

Martin Thoene · Post by **Martin Thoene** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:32 pm

Yuuuuuuuurs......if you don't work in an office environment such piffling details are unimportant.

Martin.

mikev · Post by **mikev** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:19 pm

A4 version:

http://www.filelodge.com/files/room17/4 ... LLFLA4.PDF

brukekubold · Post by **brukekubold** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:44 pm

I find it so much easier to proclaim knowledge that I don't possess and others do as piffling. It is so much harder for me to declare knowledge I do possess and others don't as piffling. Maybe it is an ego thing.

Martin Thoene · Post by **Martin Thoene** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:29 pm

Ah, forgive me

..."Hello"...."Hey, don't forget A4 is different from Letter. Remember.... your life may depend on it"....."OK".

See ..............in my previous job

.....paper wasn't your highest priority. Mind you, I've dealt with some really near-death paper cuts

Thanks Mike for the non-letter sized, twixt A5 and A3 friendly version.

Martin.

mikev · Post by **mikev** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:53 pm

On Monday I've brought the flier to the store most of my hillstreams come from. The flier was well-liked, but the store made two requests:

1. That I add the name/address of the store to the flier. -- I think this is not a problem, since nothing is being removed, so I'll do it. In case someone else meets the same request (which is imho legitimate), I volunteer to make a few custom versions.

2. That I try to identify more suitable dither fish for him. So I looked through everything the store has and saw two **possible** candidates, based on the body shape and size. I could not find much about these two on the web so far, perhaps someone here knows more about them:

a>> "Blue-eyed tetra" --- very streamed body shape, very small (1cm-1.5cm), and somewhat resembles WC', except for the colors. In fact, if it does have similar requirements, a mix of WC' with them should look very nice. I was not able to identify the scientific name so far.

b>> "Gold Barb"==Puntius Gelius --- the body shape **seems** to be more elongated than most Barbs. The profile on fishbase gives the subtropical range 18C-22C, but does not mention streams.

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Does anyone know about these two per chance?

Jim Powers · Post by **Jim Powers** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:40 pm

FYI today I was at my favorite LFS and was checking out the tanks. In the tank they keep the beaufortia they have a small powerhead(120gph?). The tank usually has checkered barbs or oddessas. I have seen the checkered barbs swimming into the powerhead before, today the oddessas were enjoying the flow.

mikev · Post by **mikev** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:00 pm

Very, very interesting.

I suspected checkerboard to be another possibility, but did not think of using *my Odessas*. I do know that they do fine (and imho better) at 70F, but the information on the species on the web is way too conflicting ... it is even not clear if this is a real species or some kind of new hybrid by the breeders.

TammyLiz · Post by **TammyLiz** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:02 pm

Hold on a minute here! When I suggested adding Odessa barbs you were the one who shot me down, Jim!
I do still think it would be fine.

EDIT: I also have a checkered barb (brought in with the odessas by accident), and it spends most of it's time at the bottom of the tank, even now that its crowded with botia down there. He picks around the plants and cruises the open area, but usually near the bottom. Of course now that I say this he's at mid tank looking at me as if to say "I do what I want".

Jim Powers · Post by **Jim Powers** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:44 pm

No, Tammyliz, I didn't say that at all.
Mikev is the one who said that. I made no determination on those barbs because I have not kept them.
What I posted today is just based on some observations made in a fish store.

mikev · Post by **mikev** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:04 pm

Jim Powers wrote:No, Tammyliz, I didn't say that at all.
Mikev is the one who said that.

Jim is correct; I was the one who expressed doubts.

I'm going to (not right away, but soon) put a small powerhead into the Odessa's tank and see how they react.

TammyLiz · Post by **TammyLiz** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:22 am

Sorry about that. I can see that it might have looked like I was upset. I should make more use of the emoticons.

Not as if I think I'm a respected member of the forum or anything.

I just come here for advice.

I'll go ahead and venture another comment on the barbs anyway.
I have moved my filters around in my tank and now have one side that is much more still than the other. The checkered barb is spending time around the upper parts of the tank so I think he was choosing the bottom before to stay away from the current. The odessas spend most of their time on the side that is more still as well but sometimes choose to go play in the current.
I hadn't taken the time to reevaluate since moving the filters until last night after this had been brought up again.

IMO, they would do fine in a river tank as long as they had a place to rest and sleep where things were more still, as I said before. Don't know how this would translate for the flyer, though.

Jim Powers · Post by **Jim Powers** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:56 pm

Well, I'm glad we have that straightened out. I cried myself to sleep last night worried that you might be mad at me

Anyway, I agree with what you said. I think that there are probably two types of fish suitable for river tanks depending on its configuration.
Taller type river tanks with some slack areas would be good for fish that come from streams of moderate flow.( some barbs, some rasboras,white clouds)
Longer river tanks with more high current areas (danios and white clouds)
I really haven't kept that many barbs so I'm not sure which ones would work. I do keep danios choprae, kyathit, and nigrofasciatus, as well as white clouds in tanks with strong current. I have rasbora borapetensis in a tank in which they alternate between moderate and strong flow. They do not seem to like the strong current as much as the white clouds, though. The white clouds do not seem to like current quite as much as the danio species, however.

If you spend much time observing streams and the fish in them, you will find that many fish will move back and forth along the area where two currents meet. They will rest in the slower areas and feed in the faster areas on food that washes down stream.

mikev · Post by **mikev** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:25 pm

Jim wrote:I think that there are probably two types of fish suitable for river tanks depending on its configuration.

This is a very good thought which should not be forgotten.

I'm still a bit unsure about Odessa's (they are also too large and eat too much from the ground, and ate a plant too), but Checkerboard or Gold barbs should be perfect for a, say, 29G setup.---but perhaps not for a 20L with the same footprint. If I ever end up having a second hillstream tank, it will likely have one of these barbs in it.

As for rasbora borapetensis -- I was thinking about them since I have an oversupply of these in other tanks...but they seemed so unhappy about the strong current that I dropped the idea for now.

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