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Post by Emma Turner » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:37 pm

Hi Red_Arokh,
Red_Arokh wrote:My tank is a 55G.What size tank will they need when they outgrow my 55G. And don't tell me as big as I can afford. I need to know what size to shoot for in the future
When adult, your Clown Loaches will require a very large aquarium, measuring at least 6' x 2' x 2'. They get to around 12" long, and are very powerful fish when adult. They not only increase in length, but also in girth, and they do require a lot of swimming space. You really want to be keeping at least 5 of them in a shoal, and preferably more, due to their very social nature.

Here is a photograph of a couple of my large Clowns (there is a standard 30cm ruler in with them for comparison):
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Red_Arokh wrote:I have had them for about 2 years so I don't know if they would accept newbies anymore
Your Clowns will be fine with newbies, as long as they are slightly smaller than the ones that are currently in your tank. Adding Clowns of the same size or larger will upset the existing hierachy in the tank, and you will find that squabbles may break out while they establish who is going to be the Alpha fish.

If you are going to stick with Tiger barbs as your dither fish, you will need to get a few more, so that you have at least 6-8 in the group. They will be more confident in a larger group, and this will also help to spread any aggression between them - no single fish would bear the brunt.

Other popular dither fish that people keep with Clowns include other high-temperature-tolerant members of the barb family (I keep a large shoal of Puntius filamentosus with mine), danios, rasboras, rainbow fish (members of the Melanotaenia family display gorgeous colours when mature), and tetras. I'd also agree with NancyD in that one large shoal of dithers will be more effective than 2 or 3 smaller shoals of different species.
Red_Arokh wrote:Could I put a small dojo in with my clown loaches?
Not a good idea. Dojo (weather) loaches prefer much cooler temperatures to that of Clown Loaches. You'd really want to set up a separate temperate aquarium for some of those.
Red_Arokh wrote:Also, what do you think about putting a ram cichlid in the tank with them?
Unfortunately, quite a number of Rams (Microgeophagus ramirezi) available in the hobby these days can be fairly delicate due to mass breeding programmes. They require pretty soft water to do well, something which your Clowns will also benefit from. However, as your Clowns get bigger, they are likely to become too boisterous for the Rams, so I personally would advise against adding them. They would be fine in a softwater community tank, but I wouldn't house them with Clowns.
Red_Arokh wrote:How many different kinds of rams are there? Are some more aggressive than others?
There are the standard 'blue' Rams (Microgeophagus ramirezi) which were mentioned above, and these are also available in a 'gold' strain. The Bolivian Ram (Microgeophagus altispinosus) are not as colourful, but are much hardier. The aggressiveness sometimes observed will usually be between two males.

Hope this helps,
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Post by NancyD » Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:07 am

Hi again Red_Arokh, Many people keep clowns & angels together but it didn't work for me. The clowns scared the angels a night. Lots of splashing & dashing around in the dark. I don't think the loaches were mean, just curious & rowdy.
You asked how long I've been in the hobby-- more than 25 years, but many people here are WAY more experienced & with many kinds of loaches. Clowns were one of the fish that drew me to fish keeping, unfortunately they & rams were not good beginner fish. After learning their needs, especially water quality & tank size, I kept chain loaches (y. sidthimunki)& many other fish (& skunks, not long :twisted: ) until I was better able to care for clowns. Lost my first shoal to pet sitter overfeeding. Second shoal, 7 inch, we gave away when we moved, 2 moves in 2 months, too much, too sad :cry: . So, after 3 fishless years, I've only had my current ones a year. And after almost 25 years we found sids again early this year :D ! So thanks to LOL & many new species available now my loach-lust has been reawakened. 8)
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Post by mellofone » Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:29 am

Emma Turner wrote: Other popular dither fish that people keep with Clowns include other high-temperature-tolerant members of the barb family (I keep a large shoal of Puntius filamentosus with mine), danios, rasboras, rainbow fish (members of the Melanotaenia family display gorgeous colours when mature), and tetras. I'd also agree with NancyD in that one large shoal of dithers will be more effective than 2 or 3 smaller shoals of different species.
I am trying to add some dithers to my clown tank but am having some troubles finding higher-temperature fish. I see a few tetras that will take the 79-80 degree water that I tend to keep for my clowns. From what I can find, a lot of the "popular" danios (like the Zebra Danio) are listed at a max of 75 degrees. I can only find about the same for something such as a Harlequin Rasbora or some of the Rainbows I can find. Is my information wrong, or can some take some warmer temps?

I have been eyeing up Penguin Tetras and/or Rummynose Tetras...

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Post by libingboy » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:24 am

the room temp in singapore is roughly 86F, without the lights on... with lights turned on in aquarium shops, it can easily hit 90F in the summer... danios seem to be able to survive... whether they like it or not is another question...

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Post by Eyrie » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:32 am

I run my clowns' tank at 80F and the harlequins are fine in there.

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Post by Red_Arokh » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:03 pm

Thankyou everyone for all your help! I would like to update you on my aquarium set up. My clown loaches are happy and healthy and now that i have some more dither fish in there with them I see them a lot more!!!!
Here is the most recent pics of my babies!!
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Here is everybody happily playing!
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In my 55G I now have 6 tiger barbs ranging in size from 2" to 3" and 6 giant dannios that are 3 1/2" to 4". They seem to be happier and time has healed their mourning for their lost clown loach buddy. I did buy two small rams in hopes of growing them bigger and putting them in with my loaches, tiger barbs, and giant dannios, but I dont think they would do to well. One is very outgoing and interested in everything but the other is shy and hides a lot. They spook real easy and the clowns do tent to get roudy at feeding time....... Ayone know if they would be ok with my angel? He is 3 1/2" maybe 4". They are in a quarantine tank right now.......they are about 1" to 1 1/4".
Again thankyou guys for everything!! Any and all opinions welcome!!
Red_Arokh
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Post by NancyD » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:36 am

Looks good Red! IME angels didn't work with clowns. The clowns would scare them, accidentally I think, in the night. Lots of splashing & hitting the lid. Tiger barbs love to nip angel fins.
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