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Re: PHOTOS

Post by Loachloach » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:28 pm

Hey Fran. Glad to hear the loach is ok and he looks good.

The diatom/brown algae is harmless itself but it is triggered by high organics levels and mini ammonia spikes, as in the range of 0-0.25ppm. I did that recently in my hillstream loach tank when I put repashy food that ended up blown in the water column and then perhaps settled in the substrate and wasn't dealt with by the tank fast enough, despite my big water changes, so it ended up polluting the tank. However, I kept doing large water changes and the issue is now down to a minimum. The issue with diatoms is that you need one time trigger and then it lasts for weeks...

High light levels also promote its growth so I'd start from there as a control measure but it is not the trigger. My hillstream tank is subjected to extra light as part of the upkeep. Also, you've got gravel that is possibly now full of organics over the years of build up and no plants to utilize them. If you're going to eventually move the fish, I'd change the substrate altogether to sand :) And a bigger tank will help long term :)

Also, I'd not sacrifice nutrition for water quality and vice versa. A feeding once daily is enough for my own clown loaches to look good and be healthy though I often give a smaller feeding later on, and roughly a large weekly water change is also enough to maintain water quality, but then again I have a much larger tank and very low stock in comparison, plus plants that mop up nitrogen compounds.

Apart from that, since you're going to move eventually and move the fish to a new tank, I'd just ignore and keep doing as many water changes as you have the time for/possibility, and ignore the brown algae.

Diatoms are an important part of the food chain of fish and they actually help maintain the water quality, same as plants would. If you've go excess of something, there's an organism popping up to utilize it.....It is just a sign of something going on.....The only real long term solution I'd have is more water changes, if the fish remain in the same conditions, and of course clean filters, and clean substrate...though it's hard to do that with gravel as it traps a lot... and siphoning it out just releases nasty stuff in the water column, invisible to the naked eye...which can trigger diatoms as they're normally an organism living in the substrate in anoxic conditions...

I don't known if that made any sense at all.

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:48 pm

Hi Loach.

I have to say that one thing I have ALWAYS been in the habit of doing is siphoning gravel with every water change. I may not get into the corners well where [fake] plants are but at least 75% of it.

There may be lots of natural light hitting the tank but not from the light fixtures which are dim as hell. I don’t want to replace because it’s foolish at this point if I’m going to switch the tank over.

I’m also seriously contemplating a sump. But this is WAY new territory for me and too expensive to purchase set up. I would need to make my own. I’ve been reading about these tonight......

Thank you!

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by NancyD » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:58 pm

Everyone is certainly happy to see you! Looking good!

By brown slimy algae I'm assuming you mean diatoms. Some water or tank parameter seems to encourage it's growth, I'm not sure what that is. I had it especially in my discus tank. Their body slime & frequent feeding really made it grow. I changed a ton water, 50-80% almost daily & wiped all the bare bottom tank & few plant surfaces I could several times per week. Can you understand why I'm not in a hurry to try discus again, lol?

Silicates are said to be at least part of the problem. I've never tested for them or even know how easy or cheap that may be. But if it's part of your tap water chemistry it won't go away. Have you tried Purigen? It removes lots of "stuff". It can clog pretty fast but can be regenerated many times. Way, way back in the day, we used ChemiPure, a resin, in all our tanks. But I truly don't recall if we had diatoms then. We had under gravel filtration & HOBs...it was also in the days of less water changing. It may have just have been to lower nitrate & TDS...sure made the water sharply clear!

My other answer is a bristle nose pleco, but I understand your reluctance to add any fish especially now. & I agree, there should be a non-fish or several times a week WCs answer.

My next question is do you deep vacuum anywhere there aren't plant roots? DOCs (dissolved organic compounds) add to the problem.

Oh, I see both you & Ll have answered you while I was typing. She offers good incites as well.
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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:56 am

Hey Nancy.

Daily water changes is a big no for me unless I absolutely HAD to. Is that what the brown crap is called? Diatoms? Then yes. I’ve removed all fake plants before and deep siphoned those areas too. The plants were washed in a VERY mild bleach solution and rinsed and soaked in Prime. It looked great but didn’t last. The silver dollars were a wreck and I did only half a tank at a time. Oh and I’ve tried Purigen hoping it could get to nitrate before it formed but it did little. Tank was very clear. Don’t recall any impact on brown algae.

Bristle noses are good for brown stuff, huh? I know they don’t get as large as a common pleco. Maybe the next tank. Thanks for the suggestions. 😀

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Post by NancyD » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:41 pm

Look up your tap water Co, & see what they say about silicate & phosphate. I googled & there are some, PhosGuard & Phos Zorb. I've never used anything similar...but if you want see if that helps, really wipe down everything & a big WC...THEN add it.

Diatoms are not really algae, more sort of like a kind of biofilm. It doesn't make them pretty or easy to control ...but IME they wipe off without much effort. But if conditions are right they will come back soon.
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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:58 pm

Thank you. I did look up a report but it wasn’t in depth. Maybe that wasn’t the actual report. It’s Kent County Water Authority in RI.

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by NancyD » Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:07 am

There should be an annual water quality report but I didn't see it either with just a casual look. We've always gotten 1 in the mail in 3 states. Maybe it's different in RI or for renters? IDK

Our plant club toured a local tap water treatment plant for Earth Day, very interesting. But of course not totally tank applicable & I'm on a different system...should be similar.

Maybe next time you do a big WC (or so, when you can) wipe everything down as best you can & try 1 of those phosphate treatments, see if it helps. I don't think it can hurt anything & might help. They don't seem super expensive but I didn't look at how much your tank may need either.
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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:38 am

Hi Nancy.

I’m still at home in the house but I would think the water, if supplied from the same company, wouldn’t differ.

I don’t mind trying a phosphate aborber. What I THINK I have read before is if the thing becomes saturated it can leak more phosphate into the tank. But then if I have a phosphate kit..... ugh. Another kit! Lol

Soooooo I think this is the way the fish tank thing is going to play out:

Going to move into my fiancé’s apartment right now because we can save some good money. The acrylic tank I want is very expensive, and only for a 90 gallon because of space issue (only 48”
long rather than 60”). And the stand is ridiculous too for cost.

Going to get the Petco/Petsmart 75 gallon and I definitely want to do the sump. I have a 20 gallon glass tank at home and a 29 acrylic. My fiancé is handy to help me glue glass baffles. And I’m pretty sure the glass guy I know can help me out. I will save a bundle doing the project this way. Do either you or Loach have any experience with sumps?

Thanks!

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Post by NancyD » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:40 pm

I forget why you want acrylic rather than glass. I was given an acrylic 55g a few years ago. I hated the wide top rims & few small access holes even before I even set it up. I gave it away. They also need a full flat top stand not just the outer edge support glass tanks need & that may be more expensive too or require plywood on top to support it.

Do more research, it's not just the weight issue.
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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 pm

Hi Nancy.

I do like the acrylic for the weight thing and I like the fact that the acrylic keeps the water warmer and more stable. I had a 29 gallon acrylic and yes the opening is smaller and the light fixture is not as convenient. Yes the glass is much cheaper but this is going on the second floor and I’m just worried. I haven’t purchased anything yet and now I’m going back to the 90 gallon and someday do the sump. I’m so confused and up in the air. My fiancé wants to take me to New York this weekend to go to the store that he loved when he was younger. It’s called Eddie’s and it’s in the Albany area. Who knows, I may come home with something.

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by NancyD » Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:55 pm

Have an awesome weekend! It sounds great!...but keep the brakes on new fish...you've got a move coming up soon & don't need more complications right now. I tend to be very conservative about that...but I have been known to have a mental breakdown for the right fish!! Careful!
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Re: PHOTOS

Post by Bas Pels » Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:52 am

FranM wrote:
Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:14 pm
Hi Nancy.

I do like the acrylic for the weight thing (...) but this is going on the second floor and I’m just worried.
Building regulations will differ widely - but how mucht does a filled tank weigh? A US gallon, 3.8 liters, weights 3.8 kilos. That is, 29 gallon of water will weigh 110.2 kilos, or 244.5 pounds.

Glass weights 2 - 3 kilos a liter, water 1. Assuming 6 mm (1-4th inch) glass, you will have 7.7 liters of glass, which will weigh 15 to 22 kilos, or 33 to 50 pounds. That is a fifth of what the water brings - and the acrylic tank will also weigh something

I used to have 9 tanks of 250 to 300 liters each on my third floor. It went OK for 5 years, but than I dicided to drain them because of the costs. If I had more money, I´d fill them this morning

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:43 am

Thanks for your input Bas Pels.

The tank is going in a hundred year old home, outside wall of course. I just worry. I know the weight of acrylic is about half that of glass—at least where a 75 gallon is concerned. In the scheme of things you’re saying that the weight difference is marginal after adding water.

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by Loachloach » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:21 am

Hey Fran, glad to hear things are moving :)

I've been busy at work,..sleep, work, sleep, work :roll:

A sump is a great idea. I don't have any experience with them though but they are great that they provide that extra volume of water, are easier to maintain and will improve the visual aspects of the main tank.

I agree, glass is very heavy and acrylic is a better option. Acrylic tanks also have bonded seals, less likely to cause leaking troubles in the long run. As for volume, I'd get the largest you feel comfortable about. 75G or 90G, same thing really when it comes to weight...Make sure the tank is properly leveled in case the floor isn't...I am into ponds and sturdy plastic tubs right now :lol: but if I am to buy a new tank, it will be acrylic for sure. I've had enough of glass tanks. They're also a pain to move, even when they're broken and one wants them out the door....

I can't wait to see your new set up :D

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Re: PHOTOS

Post by FranM » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:45 am

SO GUESS WHAT?? I JUST BOUGHT A TANK!! FROM NEW YORK!! My fiancé took me to his place and they had a 120 gallon setup for $800!! (48” x 24”). I got it!! And the Fluval FX6 ( I haven’t read up on it though so don’t tell me if it sucks ). Also I purchased two Jager heaters. Because it’s being shipped I didn’t pay tax. I never dreamed I’d be doing this today!! I’m so excited I cried when I got to the car. It’ll be a bit of time until it’s setup but that’s ok. I got it!!
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